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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeVee View Post
    well, at least you were honest enough to admit that your obvious bias disqualifies your opinion.
    That makes one of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLcrew View Post
    That makes one of us.
    yup. i'm clearly biased against an industry that relies on excessive fees, hiding the ball, and deceiving its customers so its pilots can pay their mortgages.

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    Let's be realistic on one thing. All this scheme, the incomprehensible (for the customer) ticket pricing, the cancellation and change fees, the baggage fees, the paid snacks, etc, all make up to the bottom line.
    If we went to a more reasonable scheme (as it was in the past), the base fare would go up to make up for the loss revenue in all the other categories.

    In other words, I would end up paying more to let you change your ticket for free.

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    ***Airlines***Financial Industry***I would end up paying more to let you change your ticket for free.***
    Interesting that one is often accused of preditory lending behavior that tends to target poor folks and make rich folks richer vs preditory fee behavior that tends to target relatively richer businesses travelers and results in cheaper travel for poorer folks.

    Fascinating how you can spin rather gross assaults on common sense and borderline ethics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLcrew View Post
    If it helps pay my mortgage, then yeah, I think I can.
    You could also pay your mortgage by stopping people on the street at gunpoint and taking their money. Does that make it okay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elaw View Post
    You could also pay your mortgage by stopping people on the street at gunpoint and taking their money. Does that make it okay?
    I hate to point this out but, 1. That’s illegal and 2. People consider that to be of very little value as compared to being whisked warmly and safely (but not dryly) from DFW to ELP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3WE View Post
    1. That’s illegal
    Only because we don't (yet) have a powerful bank-robbers lobby in this country, donating $millions to political campaigns.
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    United CEO Oscar Munoz: "It's an impossible situation... blah blah blah".

    Please. If the airline can't book the flight so as to leave a seat available for a deadheading crewmember, that is to say, if the airline can't plan ahead and communicate with itself, that is not an 'impossible situation', that is a 'negligent situation'. That is chaos.

    They should have either a) offered any passenger on the flight many thousands of dollars to give up their seat (justifiable if another entire plane-load of passengers at the destination depends on that crewmember) or b) paid many thousands of dollars to get him on a private flight or on another carrier.

    That is one day I would have loved to have my five minutes on a Congression hearing committee...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    United CEO Oscar Munoz: "It's an impossible situation... blah blah blah".

    Please. If the airline can't book the flight so as to leave a seat available for a deadheading crewmember, that is to say, if the airline can't plan ahead and communicate with itself, that is not an 'impossible situation', that is a 'negligent situation'. That is chaos.
    I couldn't agree more. It's an entirely specious argument he's making there. Also, I found David Dao's comments really quite moving. I was impressed that multiple witnesses testified that he wasn't at all "disruptive and belligerent", as United claimed. He was literally dragged out of his seat simply because his condition for giving it up was that he should be put on any alternative flight to his destination that same day, not the next. A condition that United could easily have satisfied using another carrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flashcrash View Post
    I couldn't agree more. It's an entirely specious argument he's making there. Also, I found David Dao's comments really quite moving. I was impressed that multiple witnesses testified that he wasn't at all "disruptive and belligerent", as United claimed. He was literally dragged out of his seat simply because his condition for giving it up was that he should be put on any alternative flight to his destination that same day, not the next. A condition that United could easily have satisfied using another carrier.
    HELPFUL TIP: When the flight crew says you have to get off the plane, and they aren't interested in discussing that decision, you best get off the plane. Then make a scene.

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    Or... maybe we should reconsider giving flight crews (especially cabin crews) authority to do absolutely anything to absolutely anyone in their aluminum tube in the name of "safety", when the matter at hand has no connection whatsoever to safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    HELPFUL TIP: When the flight crew says you have to get off the plane, and they aren't interested in discussing that decision, you best get off the plane. Then make a scene.
    bullshit. their authority to remove pax is not unlimited. i pray for the day they "dao" me. i will not settle so quickly, but when i do i can then retire happily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeVee View Post
    bullshit. their authority to remove pax is not unlimited. i pray for the day they "dao" me. i will not settle so quickly, but when i do i can then retire happily.
    If they overpower you between 4 big guys who force you out of the plane with no or minimum injuries, on what grounds are you going to sue them for so much as to make a big, fat, happy retirement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    HELPFUL TIP: When the flight crew says you have to get off the plane, and they aren't interested in discussing that decision, you best get off the plane. Then make a scene.
    Interesting concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    If they overpower you between 4 big guys who force you out of the plane with no or minimum injuries, on what grounds are you going to sue them for so much as to make a big, fat, happy retirement?
    Be careful...you are becoming a black and white thinker- and not sure Tee Vee will pick up your technical viewpoint that they are only responsible for actual damages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    If they overpower you between 4 big guys who force you out of the plane with no or minimum injuries, on what grounds are you going to sue them for so much as to make a big, fat, happy retirement?
    He is going to go big on social media and then extract a nice quiet settlement in return for making a public statement that they were only doing their job and he doesn't blame the people in the video.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/high...173626823.html

    Ok, no one offers hotels...AND it's 'REAL SPECIAL' that AA went the extra mile to get their $25 (or is it $35) checked baggage.

    But I'm guessing they WERE locked out of gate area where there were seats, carpet and fewer creeps.

    Call me an idealist, but where's the cots and maybe access to the club, or some refugee rooms or even special passes to go back through security...(with 12 oz shampoo bottles).
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    High school students sleeping on the floor? That's what happens at home every once and then, and they seem to take it as it's fun. Pajama party, they call it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    High school students sleeping on the floor? That's what happens at home every once and then, and they seem to take it as it's fun. Pajama party, they call it.
    Tile floor with creepy people hanging out and possibly no restaurants or stores outside of the secure area...?
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