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Originally posted by LH-B744 View PostNEvidence? "Sully The Film" (2016), where Sullenberger as senior advisor and reason for the film appeared at the end.
In reality, aside from some compressor stall exhaust pipe flame, there shouldn't have been anything shooting out of the engines aside from—maybe—a very thin amount of smoke, and I doubt it would be visible from any distance.
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Crash During Circling Approach to Runway 1 at Teterboro AirportTeterboro AirportTeterboro, New Jersey May 15, 2017CEN17FA183This two-dimensional animated rec...
SIC was not authorized to be PF, but the PIC made the SIC fly the plane anyway.
Several times the SIC wanted to transfer control to the PIC, who refused, until in short final and with the plane totally out of position to make a landing the SIC finally gave up and the PIC didn't have other option than take control and, instead of performing a go-around, performed almost an aerobatic maneuver to try to line up with the runway with the known consequences.
It looks to me that the PIC had good reasons not to take the controls and he knew it.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostHe knew he was not good at it?
Quickly followed by 'I don't got this..."
If retrospect, I think LEAR's should be required to have an airspeed indicator. Oh, no, wait, there was one... it was the SIC repeatedly saying "airspeed".
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Originally posted by Evan View PostMy take is that he did not know he was not good at it. He was 'coaching' the SIC the entire time. When he finally took over, he performed a hairbrained 'i got this' maneuver that simply oozes with misguided self-confidence.
Quickly followed by 'I don't got this..."
If retrospect, I think LEAR's should be required to have an airspeed indicator. Oh, no, wait, there was one... it was the SIC repeatedly saying "airspeed".
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I have a buddy who has done really well in his business and has a Lear with a pilot on his staff. (They contract for the SIC and use a few different ones for their trips.) I forwarded the link to him but I have to ask after watching it, how is it even conceivable that a professional pilot could be such a complete f*up? I mean, thinking you are still hundreds of miles from the airport when the entire flight is 25 minutes? He had to be drunk, no?
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Originally posted by ATLcrew View PostSome even have your all-time favorite instrument, the AoA indicator.
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Originally posted by Evan View PostYou're confusing me with Gabriel. I think it should be there, but I don't think it would have prevented most stall accidents.
Now, have pilots learn to fly actively using AoA indicators as part of their normal routine. And the accident sequence would have likely not occurred in the first place or been cut much shorter than the point where a stall recovery was needed. And not because the role the AoA indicator itself would have played in that sequence, but by the better AoA understanding and awareness that you would have even if at some point you find yourself flying without an AoA indicator.
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Originally posted by ATLcrew View PostSome even have your all-time favorite instrument, the AoA indicator.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostNow, have pilots learn to fly actively using AoA indicators as part of their normal routine. And the accident sequence would have likely not occurred in the first place or been cut much shorter than the point where a stall recovery was needed. And not because the role the AoA indicator itself would have played in that sequence, but by the better AoA understanding and awareness that you would have even if at some point you find yourself flying without an AoA indicator.
Sully could have used it. Anywhere you have to fly at the limit of lift, such as extending a glide or a low altitude stall and ground avoidance situation. I also agree that it would be useful in building AoA awareness. I'm not opposed to it. Why would anybody be opposed to it?
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