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    Hi,
    As you have noticed, the queue has grown again. Sure lots of screeners are on vacations, me included but there's one thing you need to know.

    Lately, we have never seen such a high level of quality votes. Recently we would really rarely use that rejection reason because there was no reason to do so but today.... I would say that 1 out of 15/20 pics gets an instant quality rejection. With a queue at 18000+ that makes a ton of low quality shot.
    We fully understand that it's never easy to start a new hobby or start uploading, editing and so on but... if you read our upload guideline and learn some just basic photography and editing quality rejection should NEVER happen.

    So yeah we're sorry if you got your whole queue deleted or got quality rejections but please realize that filling the queue with very low quality shots is really not helping the site or the community so we would like to ask something.

    If you just started uploading to JP, DON'T UPLOAD if you didn't read the upload guideline. After reading it, use the forum, ask for advices and only upload a few pics. Just by doing that you would help us and the community a lot and you would very quickly improve your photography and editing skills.

    thanks in advance and happy spotting !

    Alex

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    Hi Alex,

    Maybe one idea which maybe could help. Is it possible to do a sort of quality check while loading the uploaded picture ? A check done by the website when the image is loaded but not added to the queue ?

    Or maybe a picture that is 1200×800 px the size needs to be at least 500kb (just an example) ?

    Cheers Bjorn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorn1979 View Post
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    Or maybe a picture that is 1200×800 px the size needs to be at least 500kb (just an example) ?
    Cheers Bjorn
    Bjorn,
    I don't think this is a correct indication.
    Cheers,
    Erez.

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    Currently around 13 till 16 days in queue is very long time. I mean I never had a quality rejection as far as I can remember.

    But I would also happy to see the queue more down maybe to have it at max around 7 days. If these „quality“ rejections causing the problems I would also happy to see maybe a kind of prescreening or something like that.
    But I sadly have no idea how to do that on a way where no one gets wrong rejections etc.

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    Add a new kind of rejection reason for pics made during bad weather or without sunlight during the day and the queue will drop. Personally I am not a fan of dark aircrafts with a grey background. Just my two cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO777/200 View Post
    Add a new kind of rejection reason for pics made during bad weather or without sunlight during the day and the queue will drop. Personally I am not a fan of dark aircrafts with a grey background. Just my two cents...
    Yeah we don't want to take that road which would get us the famous "no sun on aircraft" ridiculous rejection reason that is used in some other places. we actually added the following sentence on the upload guideline.
    "Please note that photos taken in bad weather conditions are likely to be rejected for contrast reasons, unless the weather aspect adds something to the photo. Just like on this photo where the bad weather isn't adding anything to the photo"

    But thanks for the suggestion, really not a big fan of those grey weather shot either

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO777/200 View Post
    Add a new kind of rejection reason for pics made during bad weather or without sunlight during the day and the queue will drop. Personally I am not a fan of dark aircrafts with a grey background. Just my two cents...
    I also don't like photos with bad light conditions that taken during bad weather, but I think that you should have to take into account that many people have invested money and time to travel to other countries, but they had bad weather.
    It happened to me personally and that's very disappointing.
    Therefore I don't think such photos should be rejected out of hand. Just my two cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO777/200 View Post
    Add a new kind of rejection reason for pics made during bad weather or without sunlight during the day and the queue will drop. Personally I am not a fan of dark aircrafts with a grey background. Just my two cents...
    I'm not a fan of such photos either. But that does not mean, photograhy in bad weather is impossile. Sometimes weather can improve a photo, but not those light grey washed out backgrounds. A photographer can look for another location with something else than just grey sky as background, maybe taxi shots.

    So, yeah, I would welcome more rejections for photos of dull looking aircraft with light grey background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErezS View Post
    I also don't like photos with bad light conditions that taken during bad weather, but I think that you should have to take into account that many people have invested money and time to travel to other countries, but they had bad weather.
    It happened to me personally and that's very disappointing.
    Therefore I don't think such photos should be rejected out of hand. Just my two cents...
    This already happened to me that I booked a week for spotting at NYC but the weather was just terrible. Instead of going out for spotting I kept my equipment in the bag and drove somewhere else for sightseeing. There are always other possibilities
    I just hate to edit pictures which were made under bad conditions and don't like to see them on JP too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LX-A343 View Post
    I'm not a fan of such photos either. But that does not mean, photograhy in bad weather is impossile. Sometimes weather can improve a photo, but not those light grey washed out backgrounds. A photographer can look for another location with something else than just grey sky as background, maybe taxi shots.

    So, yeah, I would welcome more rejections for photos of dull looking aircraft with light grey background.
    I remember that I wrote the same in an other thread some months ago

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    A trip to Heathrow is a 95 mile round trip for me. There has been more than one occasion where the forecast has been reasonable but the actual weather was bland, low contrast light. More than once I have got there taken one look at the weather, gone for breakfast and then turned around and gone back home.

    Sometimes it simply isn't worth the aggravation.
    If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !


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    Quote Originally Posted by brianw999 View Post
    A trip to Heathrow is a 95 mile round trip for me. There has been more than one occasion where the forecast has been reasonable but the actual weather was bland, low contrast light. More than once I have got there taken one look at the weather, gone for breakfast and then turned around and gone back home.

    Sometimes it simply isn't worth the aggravation.
    That can happen indeed. It's getting worse when your in Tokyo....

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    One tip for anyone planning on going to an Airshow.

    First you need to contact me and find out if I'm going. If I am then cancel your plans because it WILL rain or be generally shit weather.
    If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !


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    You were at RIAT Brian ?

    Well please don't come to MAKS !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErezS View Post
    I also don't like photos with bad light conditions that taken during bad weather, but I think that you should have to take into account that many people have invested money and time to travel to other countries, but they had bad weather.
    It happened to me personally and that's very disappointing.
    Therefore I don't think such photos should be rejected out of hand. Just my two cents...
    I think it's pretty bad idea to have how much money you've spent to get pics dictate whether they are accepted or not. If you decide to take the chance to spend the time and money to go somewhere spotting, great, that's your decision, but it should in no way affect how your images are screened. Otherwise, the potential for a class division arises. Think of all the people who can't afford to take a flight anywhere for spotting. Are you truly saying your images deserve more of a chance than theirs simply because you could afford to spend more money?

    We've all had bad luck with the weather; just accept it as part of the hobby, and don't bring how rich you are into it.

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    I don't like that idea as well. It's not even about money, but time one spended on going somewhere, making the photo and editing it. All photos should be screened equally, you can't reject photos just because you personally don't like it...

    If you wan't to reduce queue, maybe it is time to intrduce new queue limits, based on number of accepted photos and acceptance ratio? Even for ex Elite Members?

    For instance. 10 slots for new member, and that number should rise along with number of accepted photos and acceptance ratio, let's say above 50%. And for ex EM: if your ratio drops below let's say 60-70%, your queue limit is reduced to 60, ofcourse until your ratio will exeed given %.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO777/200 View Post
    This already happened to me that I booked a week for spotting at NYC but the weather was just terrible. Instead of going out for spotting I kept my equipment in the bag and drove somewhere else for sightseeing. There are always other possibilities
    I just hate to edit pictures which were made under bad conditions and don't like to see them on JP too.
    When you live in the US or Europe it is much easier for you than for someone who lives in Israel, like me, just for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by pawelm View Post
    I don't like that idea as well. It's not even about money, but time one spended on going somewhere, making the photo and editing it. All photos should be screened equally, you can't reject photos just because you personally don't like it...

    If you wan't to reduce queue, maybe it is time to intrduce new queue limits, based on number of accepted photos and acceptance ratio? Even for ex Elite Members?

    For instance. 10 slots for new member, and that number should rise along with number of accepted photos and acceptance ratio, let's say above 50%. And for ex EM: if your ratio drops below let's say 60-70%, your queue limit is reduced to 60, ofcourse until your ratio will exeed given %.

    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    I think it's pretty bad idea to have how much money you've spent to get pics dictate whether they are accepted or not. If you decide to take the chance to spend the time and money to go somewhere spotting, great, that's your decision, but it should in no way affect how your images are screened. Otherwise, the potential for a class division arises. Think of all the people who can't afford to take a flight anywhere for spotting. Are you truly saying your images deserve more of a chance than theirs simply because you could afford to spend more money?

    We've all had bad luck with the weather; just accept it as part of the hobby, and don't bring how rich you are into it.
    Dana,
    I really can not afford to spend a lot of money.
    My economic status is unfortunately low.
    My cameras and lenses are also relatively simple and inexpensive.
    If I plan a year ahead for the trip, but get bad weather, what can I do?
    I do not live in Europe or in the United States, and every trip is very expensive for me.
    I do not ask for mercy, I do what I see fit, but I do not think that photos was taken during bad weather should be rejected out of hand.
    It's just a little content for thought.

    All the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErezS View Post

    Dana,
    I really can not afford to spend a lot of money.
    My economic status is unfortunately low.
    My cameras and lenses are also relatively simple and inexpensive.
    If I plan a year ahead for the trip, but get bad weather, what can I do?
    I do not live in Europe or in the United States, and every trip is very expensive for me.
    I do not ask for mercy, I do what I see fit, but I do not think that photos was taken during bad weather should be rejected out of hand.
    It's just a little content for thought.

    All the best.
    And yet you were able to take a trip that countless others could never dream of doing. My point is this: take your trip (if you are able) and enjoy it (good weather or not). Whether your trip was a success or not should not be decided by if images you took are accepted or not. Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    And yet you were able to take a trip that countless others could never dream of doing. My point is this: take your trip (if you are able) and enjoy it (good weather or not). Whether your trip was a success or not should not be decided by if images you took are accepted or not. Simple.
    Amen to that!!

    There are lots of other things to do in Amsterdam, London, Paris, Zurich, ... apart from taking photos of aircraft!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    And yet you were able to take a trip that countless others could never dream of doing. My point is this: take your trip (if you are able) and enjoy it (good weather or not). Whether your trip was a success or not should not be decided by if images you took are accepted or not. Simple.
    Dana,
    Just because you get into my money, which I think is not respectable thing, I'll tell you a secret, just to your eyes.
    I giving up with other things so I can fly abroad from time to time. I'm 58 years old, but I flew for the first time after age 40.
    I'm one of old-timers here, but I have only few simple cameras with few simple lenses, the cheapest equipment one can buy.


    This discussion has unfortunately become disrespectful.
    Why did this happen? All in all that I wrote my personal opinion that you should not reject outright photos taken in bad weather.

    Another people wrote similar things, but you personally decided for some reason to respond to me in the way you responded.
    I'm done here.
    All the best.

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