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    Default The REAL Problem with Air Security

    http://www.airlive.net/exploding-cam...ional-airport/

    this is a prime example of why we will never regain normality, as in pre-9/11. we spend billions "responding" to stupid shit like this AFTER the fact. seriously? a complete shut-down for nearly 4 hours over an isolated camera bag fart, which i wager couldn't be heard more than a couple dozen feet away. really? evacuate planes from a different terminal for this?

    as long as we are reactionary, we will continue to suffer. the true goal of terrorism isn't killing people........

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    One can legitimately argue about the rights or wrongs of specific security measures and their 'theatre', but to imagine the US and the world regaining some innocent pre-9/11 state of what used to be thought of as normal is fantasy. There are more fundamental and deeper changes that have occurred than mere security procedures at airports.

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    it's not about returning to pre-9/11/ it's about addressing the issues in a sensible way and not reacting. we are effin scared of insulting people that we refuse to appropriately profile people. "randomly" selecting people for "additional screening" is horseshit and a waste of time and money. shutting down an airport cuz a little battery farted at one gate with no damage and no other signs of ANYTHING is horseshit. it's all a show. and guess what homeland "security," nobody buys the bullshit show, especially when YOUR OWN DATA shows that YOUR OWN employees miss 96% of the contraband intentionally placed in carry-ons.

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    I travelled through Charlotte using disabled assistance in a wheelchair and noted that I wasn’t searched or scanned. I commented on this to the TSA officer who was pushing me and was told “It’s ok sir, you don’t fit the profile”
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    two things: 1st, the wheel chair attendants in CLT are not TSA. 2nd, i guarantee the US does not profile, so this person's statement/opinion was irrelevant.

    i am part of the TSA Precheck program and have been since its inception. paid for and underwent the federal background check and in-person interview. all so i can go thru with less nonsense such as removing shoes and belts. i still get selected for "random" additional screening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeVee View Post
    two things: 1st, the wheel chair attendants in CLT are not TSA. 2nd, i guarantee the US does not profile, so this person's statement/opinion was irrelevant.

    i am part of the TSA Precheck program and have been since its inception. paid for and underwent the federal background check and in-person interview. all so i can go thru with less nonsense such as removing shoes and belts. i still get selected for "random" additional screening.
    It was a TSA official who took over from my disability escort while the escort himself was checked. I'm not stupid TeeVee, I do know a TSA agent when I see one. I have to admit though that this one was different to the norm....he was polite and he had a functioning brain !
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    The organisational stupidities and inconsistencies of security procedures are both deliberate and accidental. They're deliberate because inconsistencies between airports and sudden changes in 'rules' are there to trip up potential bad guys. This has happened. It's definitely frustrating to frequent passengers, however. Sometimes there is most definitely profiling, other times we maintain the fiction that Brian is as likely to be a terrorist as anyone else. We have to live with some of this.

    But for sure it's also accidental, in the sense that there is disorganisation and incompetence underlined by a fear of letting the next bad guy get through.

    I don't know that we're ever going to get satisfaction on this. The threats are changing, the technology deployed by both the bad guys and the authorities is also changing. There is now increasing attention falling on dealing with identity theft and identity proof as much as on physical threats. Communicating information between the security agencies is slow because of the usual bureaucratic inertia, and also because government agencies are adept in trying to save money on subcontracting many processes to private companies, which is often only a short-sighted solution.

    But it's vital that while dealing with changing threats and new angles to old threats, we don't let our guard down and relax too much on monitoring older style threats. Sometimes the simplest methods are the most effective, as we have seen this year with vehicles being used as weapons.

    Much goes on behind the scenes well away from the front lines of airport security systems. For example, there's definitely significant 'profiling' going on out of the immediate public eye, whatever public pieties we pay to equality and political correctness. There are some weak spots still being addressed well away from passenger security lines, which I obviously won't focus on here. Whatever one says, and whatever frustrations we go through, the chances of a hijack or bomb or other security threat to an airliner in the developed world, while not zero, are vanishingly small. We should take some comfort from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianw999 View Post
    It was a TSA official who took over from my disability escort while the escort himself was checked. I'm not stupid TeeVee, I do know a TSA agent when I see one. I have to admit though that this one was different to the norm....he was polite and he had a functioning brain !
    ...that could be true AND his statement and/or actions could have been contrary to 'profiling regulations and policies'.
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    ...what's sad is that this IS an example of blind procedural responses and black and white thinking.

    The process does a bad job dealing with an exploding battery.

    BANG...Ok, shut everything down...but what is so hard about THE supervisor zooming over on his Segway...interviewing a few folks...seeing that all evidence supports an exploded battery, and then say, "OK, open it back up" and have things back open within 30 minutes?

    ...and, is it that hard to contact Airline ops to maybe TRY to address the 30 min delay.

    I guess they went 'full evacuate' on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianw999 View Post
    It was a TSA official who took over from my disability escort while the escort himself was checked. I'm not stupid TeeVee, I do know a TSA agent when I see one. I have to admit though that this one was different to the norm....he was polite and he had a functioning brain !
    proof positive he was NOT a tsa agent!

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