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    BREAKING A West Wind Aviation ATR 42, with 25 people on board, has crashed near Fond-du-Lac Airport, Canada.

    UPDATE 22 passengers and 3 crew were on board the aircraft which crashed one kilometer away from the airfield in northern Saskatchewan, Canada. Several injuries reported, no fatalities.

    https://twitter.com/airlivenet/statu...50457996685312


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/plane-...r&_gsc=qxO5B6V



    It's probably one of these airplanes:
    https://www.jetphotos.com/showphotos...d&sort-order=0

    NEWS With video:
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/wor...oyal-air-force

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    I have never seen a case like this: a major accident in a western airline and a western country and there is so little going by, especially when there are survivors to spell the gospel and talk about the fireball before the crash, plummeting off the sky and all that. Even the forums are silent, and there is very little information in AvHerald too. I never thought that we were going to take the "better wait for the final report" so literally, and I don't even think that's the right or nice thing to do.

    So let's start to stir the pot:

    Icing? There is a history of icing and the ATR not getting along very well. And this was a cold night in a cold part of the world. That said, precisely because this is the case and all know that, and this is an airplne very used to winter ops, it would be incredible if they departed with airframe ice, be it becuase they did not de-ice or becaus they spend too long between de-icing and take-off. And the plane crashed immediately after take-off so they didn't have time to collect ice in flight.

    Dual engine failure? Maybe single engine failure, which was mis-managed in a way that they could not climb, or that they lost control, or that they secured the good engine?

    No fuel? It is ridiculous, but every time a plane scratches its wingtip and it doesn't explode in a fireball there is people crying the sky is falling.

    Bad take-off performance in some way? (overweight, low power applied, wrong required RWY calculation) Something similar to AirFlorida performance-wise?

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    More Info here: https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/at-leas...rash-1.3723411

    They were sliding/crashing on the ground for 800 ft. Everyone there was covered in fuel, and the pax claimed that there were two separate distinct engine noises/failures.

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    Sad to hear of any crash but good to hear that all survived albeit that some seem to be critical. Get well soon folks.
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    On Dec 20th 2017 the TSB reported that the flight data and cockpit voice recorders were recovered and sent for analysis.
    http://avherald.com/h?article=4b24de9e&opt=0

    Let's start scratching-out items...
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Icing? There is a history of icing and the ATR not getting along very well. And this was a cold night in a cold part of the world. That said, precisely because this is the case and all know that, and this is an airplne very used to winter ops, it would be incredible if they departed with airframe ice, be it becuase they did not de-ice or becaus they spend too long between de-icing and take-off. And the plane crashed immediately after take-off so they didn't have time to collect ice in flight.

    [s]Dual engine failure? Maybe single engine failure, which was mis-managed in a way that they could not climb, or that they lost control, or that they secured the good engine?[/s]

    [s]No fuel? It is ridiculous, but every time a plane scratches its wingtip and it doesn't explode in a fireball there is people crying the sky is falling.[/s]


    Bad take-off performance in some way? (overweight, low power applied, wrong required RWY calculation) Something similar to AirFlorida performance-wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    http://avherald.com/h?article=4b24de9e&opt=0

    Let's start scratching-out items...
    I see an airplane that had full power and take-off configuration yet failed to climb out and apparently rolled left just after leaving the runway.

    - flight control or control surface issue. Something jammed perhaps (elevators appear neutral in the photographs)

    - ice (more likely)

    - grossly overweight

    - random unexplained windshear (highly unlikely)

    That's all I got.

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    Latest update:

    What we know based on the initial examination:

    * The aircraft descended into trees and terrain.
    * The wreckage path was at least 800 feet long.
    * The aircraft was in an upright position, but tilted steeply to the right.
    * The left side of the aircraft appeared to be the most damaged.
    * The fuselage ruptured at about seating row number 3.
    * Engines were operating up to the point of contact.

    http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/enquete...6/a17c0146.asp

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    It became a fatal accident: One of the passenger died in the hospital due to the injuries 2 weeks after the crash.

    http://avherald.com/h?article=4b24de9e&opt=0

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