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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    I'm not so sure.. your previous two posts seemed more intent on trying to convince that there was no problem with the color. Now you are prepared to admit that there is in fact an issue? Like I said above, you need to be able to see that there is a problem before beginning to fix it. Telling you the steps in adjusting the WB (actually just one step) would be pointless if you didn't know what or why you were doing it. I'd be happy to take a look at one of the RAW files of the rejected images and reprocess it so the color comes out better.
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    If you tell me the steps of where to fix the issue would be helpful.
    First of all is there a histogram or chart or function of Photoshop that shows me instantly the problem. As I have told you many times, my eyes cannot see what your eyes see.
    I need something that is a neutral ground and tells me.
    It is like telling a sleepy person to always wake up at 6:00am. They will say my body cannot do that, I need help. That is where the alarm clock steps in to help.
    Is there a video on YouTube I can watch that might help?
    All I need to know is if a photo has that color hue problem - how do I recognize using a tool of Photoshop which is 99% accurate when my eyes are not?

    By the way I am still convinced my photos are fine.... that is why I am kindly asking to show me where I can see the issue that.... I cannot see
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post
    Dana
    If you tell me the steps of where to fix the issue would be helpful.
    First of all is there a histogram or chart or function of Photoshop that shows me instantly the problem. As I have told you many times, my eyes cannot see what your eyes see.
    I need something that is a neutral ground and tells me.
    It is like telling a sleepy person to always wake up at 6:00am. They will say my body cannot do that, I need help. That is where the alarm clock steps in to help.
    Is there a video on YouTube I can watch that might help?
    All I need to know is if a photo has that color hue problem - how do I recognize using a tool of Photoshop which is 99% accurate when my eyes are not?

    By the way I am still convinced my photos are fine.... that is why I am kindly asking to show me where I can see the issue that.... I cannot see
    Unfortunately I have yet to come across a reliable way to objectively measure color. There is of course the RGB histogram, but I don't find it too useful for judging anything other that very strong color casts. As the problem is not one of my creation (the above color rejections were from multiple other screeners than myself, so it's not just me seeing the bad color), that means it's one of two things: either your monitor/workspace color profile is not set or calibrated properly, or it's simply your own eyes. Do you have any past issues with color blindness? It tends to affect males more often, and we have had cases in the past where we've discovered the root of an uploader's problems with color casts came down to them being color blind, so it wouldn't be the first time. If the former, make sure your working space color profile is set to sRGB (and that your browser is color correcting as well), since if it is set to something else, what you see when editing the images, may differ from what you end up submitting. I suspect this is not the case, however, as you keep arguing that the rejected images are fine, which means you are looking at the same final version that we are.

    As I suggested, probably the best way would be for me to reprocess the image(s) to something acceptable, so you have some reference point to compare to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    Unfortunately I have yet to come across a reliable way to objectively measure color. There is of course the RGB histogram, but I don't find it too useful for judging anything other that very strong color casts. As the problem is not one of my creation (the above color rejections were from multiple other screeners than myself, so it's not just me seeing the bad color), that means it's one of two things: either your monitor/workspace color profile is not set or calibrated properly, or it's simply your own eyes. Do you have any past issues with color blindness? It tends to affect males more often, and we have had cases in the past where we've discovered the root of an uploader's problems with color casts came down to them being color blind, so it wouldn't be the first time. If the former, make sure your working space color profile is set to sRGB (and that your browser is color correcting as well), since if it is set to something else, what you see when editing the images, may differ from what you end up submitting. I suspect this is not the case, however, as you keep arguing that the rejected images are fine, which means you are looking at the same final version that we are.

    As I suggested, probably the best way would be for me to reprocess the image(s) to something acceptable, so you have some reference point to compare to.
    Dana
    I would not say I am colorblind. I do not see the world black and white. I have difficulty with the ishihara test, I cannot distinguish easily red and green when bunched together in small dots like this ridiculous test.
    I can see the RGB histogram fine and well, but I do not know if there is something there that would alert me to a green / red hue on the fuselage.

    As for my computer / photoshop / browser here is the rundown:
    I use a Nikon D600 and save the image as RAW (a NEF file for Nikon)
    I open the RAW (NEF) file in my computer (Windows 10) with Nikon View NX2 and analyze it as RAW
    Then I pass it to Photoshop and Adobe Camera Raw 9.1.1 opens up
    Here I rarely do anything except one thing. In the Lens Correction tab I Enable Lens Profile Corrections
    Then I hit Open Image and the popup message comes along telling me to "Convert document's colors to the working space"
    Finally I am in Photoshop and check the usual baloney: Horizon, crop, levels, contrast, etc....
    I save it as JPG and upload it to JP

    That is my story....anything fishy in my procedure....besides my unrealiable eyes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post
    Dana
    I would not say I am colorblind. I do not see the world black and white. I have difficulty with the ishihara test, I cannot distinguish easily red and green when bunched together in small dots like this ridiculous test.
    I can see the RGB histogram fine and well, but I do not know if there is something there that would alert me to a green / red hue on the fuselage.

    As for my computer / photoshop / browser here is the rundown:
    I use a Nikon D600 and save the image as RAW (a NEF file for Nikon)
    I open the RAW (NEF) file in my computer (Windows 10) with Nikon View NX2 and analyze it as RAW
    Then I pass it to Photoshop and Adobe Camera Raw 9.1.1 opens up
    Here I rarely do anything except one thing. In the Lens Correction tab I Enable Lens Profile Corrections
    Then I hit Open Image and the popup message comes along telling me to "Convert document's colors to the working space"
    Finally I am in Photoshop and check the usual baloney: Horizon, crop, levels, contrast, etc....
    I save it as JPG and upload it to JP

    That is my story....anything fishy in my procedure....besides my unrealiable eyes?
    Thank you for being honest enough to admit you do have some issues with color perception. My question was not whether you could see colors at all, but rather if perhaps there were some difficulties in distinguishing certain of them, which indeed seems to be the case. With that said, I don't really have a good solution for you. Whenever I spot a problem with color on an image, it's always by eye. Like I said, I'm more than happy to work one of your files so you have reference as to what should be acceptable, but beyond that there's not much in the way of settings to help accommodate this issue. Setting the correct (or incorrect) color space will matter little if you're not really seeing the colors correctly in the first place.

    I'm leaving on a trip soon, so it may take me a while to get back to you, but feel free to message me privately if you'd like to take me up on my offer.

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    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7093841
    Not sure what the problem is for this rejection - so I appealed.

    My appeal was rejected with this comment which confuses me even more
    "It needs darker mid-tones. In addition it lacks detail due to the (over)use of noise filter"

    Lacks detail? Are you sure? Looks the same if not better than other TC-JJO pictures accepted.
    Sorry fellas...I am really confused here
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7093841
    Not sure what the problem is for this rejection - so I appealed.

    My appeal was rejected with this comment which confuses me even more
    "It needs darker mid-tones. In addition it lacks detail due to the (over)use of noise filter"

    Lacks detail? Are you sure? Looks the same if not better than other TC-JJO pictures accepted.
    Sorry fellas...I am really confused here
    The photo definitely lacks dark tones (shadows, midtones). Details missing for example in the grass, tarmac, fuselage, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LX-A343 View Post
    The photo definitely lacks dark tones (shadows, midtones). Details missing for example in the grass, tarmac, fuselage, ...
    Gotcha...that is 100% correct what you say.
    Back to the drawing board.
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    Oh I checked. You approved a photo with the same problem as the above 777 TC-JJO
    Here is the culprit.

    https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9217825

    1. Want to reject it even if approved? It would be fair
    2. Want me to edit it and re-upload it?
    3. Any suggestion I might not have thought of?
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    So,
    You mean we should have rejected that 777 shot as well ?
    We can delete it if you wish
    But if you're trying to say that if we have accepted that 777 we should have accepted the other one as well then I'm not sure it's the best argument to use...

    Anyway, the contrast is better on the 777 and the white balance is also better. Now the grass is also over-edited which was missed by the screener involved. Let's say you got lucky but again, if you wish to delete that shot because you want to upload a better edit with less noise reduction, then fair game and we can do it.

    cheers
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    Hey Alex

    I resubmitted my lucky acceptance Turkish Cargo - hope the new one is better
    I goofed a parameter when editing and that is why my grass came out looking like astroturf.
    Thanks for the help and sorry for the trouble
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    Hey Screeners

    I re-submitted the photo for TC-LJL (the Turkish cargo 777). Now how does this work?
    Does it go to the end of the queue? But if it does I do not see it queued in my photos.
    Thanks for the help
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex - Spot-This ! View Post
    So,
    You mean we should have rejected that 777 shot as well ?
    We can delete it if you wish
    But if you're trying to say that if we have accepted that 777 we should have accepted the other one as well then I'm not sure it's the best argument to use...

    Anyway, the contrast is better on the 777 and the white balance is also better. Now the grass is also over-edited which was missed by the screener involved. Let's say you got lucky but again, if you wish to delete that shot because you want to upload a better edit with less noise reduction, then fair game and we can do it.

    cheers
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    Hey Alex

    I re-submitted the Turkish 777 cargo.
    1. It was rejected with no motif
    2. I tried replying to the email with APPEAL in the suject but it cannot be delivered.
    3. Can you tell me what was wrong with the re-submitted photo?
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    I didn't screen the reupload and there's no way to appeal a reupload. Please keep in mind that appeals should never be the first move. Forum should be. Or private contact via messenger like you did in the past. Appeals are very time consuming for the crew and it's not the place to get explanations about your rejections. Just for the record, I made 2 appeals out of my last 50 rejections... Everybody should take rejections as an opportunity to learn and even after all those years I still learn from my rejections.
    Here for the whole case, you got lucky on the 777, if you want to know the whole story, I was the screener involved who accepted it by mistake (due to over editing) - I don't know if the reupload was better but it looks like the senior screener didn't think it was. The rejected one was correctly rejected and you could maybe try to re edit it from scratch

    Hope it helps
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    This is the 777 Turkish Cargo I am trying to use as substitute for the one accepted by mistake.
    Is it OK for upload?
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    as it's a different pic that's why it got rejected - a reupload should be of the same pic, better edited

    This one looks better than the accepted one, would you like me to delete it so you can upload the better picture ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex - Spot-This ! View Post
    as it's a different pic that's why it got rejected - a reupload should be of the same pic, better edited

    This one looks better than the accepted one, would you like me to delete it so you can upload the better picture ?
    Hey Alex... now I understand. The re-upload must be the same exact photo. Aha!!

    So Plan B
    You go ahead and delete the accepted photo which is not good
    I will then upload into the queue the improved photo which is slightly different.

    Thanks for your help!!
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    Hey Hey Screeners

    Any chance one of you with all mighty powers can delete this photo because it was accepted "by mistake".

    https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9217825

    There might be others with the same issue I will check. If they have the same issue (accepted despite not being 100% OK) I will signal them and we can delete those and I will re-upload them with improved editing like the Turkish Cargo I attached a few posts ago. Thanks for your help.
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    Paging screeners.... paging screeners..... hello? Anybody out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post
    Paging screeners.... paging screeners..... hello? Anybody out there?
    I love it when people expect snap replies from a volunteer crew. I'm on vacation, and yet I'm still taking time to reply to your posts. Be patient, and all things will be taken care of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    I love it when people expect snap replies from a volunteer crew. I'm on vacation, and yet I'm still taking time to reply to your posts. Be patient, and all things will be taken care of.
    Maybe you should ask the screeners workers union for better pay, paid vacations and more help in managing the forum...
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