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    Quote Originally Posted by flying Doc View Post
    Personally I'd rejected it for cut-off. It's not that this kind of pic is not avoidable so "what the hell , I will VA". Both the wing and the horizontal stabilizer could have been included in the frame. Once again, this is my opinion, the crop doesn't work for me , but it could be fine for another screener.

    As per your rejected 789, even though I haven't screened it, I agree with Alex and the other screeners. I would have croped it either in front of the engine (personaly I find it better) or just right after the main landing gear, or I would have gone spotting with a smaller lense....

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    I really really really do not understand crops and feel like truly not cropping anymore. Doggone it even the Turkish is a crappy crop???
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    Alberto, I am not a screener but here is a comment on the Turkish 737.
    It feels like the photo has no focus and rather "favours" the left side of you subject because you are stretching your crop on the right (side of the photo) to include the full wing length and restrict your crop on the left to the end of the fuselage cutting off everything else. You really end up with a picture of "half a plane" here, if you understand my point.

    Having studied other peoples crops a rough understanding is you either focus/include the total wingspan or just focus on the fuselage, often including the horizontal stabilisers. Those seem to work as the safest options for such angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gxaid View Post
    Alberto, I am not a screener but here is a comment on the Turkish 737.
    It feels like the photo has no focus and rather "favours" the left side of you subject because you are stretching your crop on the right (side of the photo) to include the full wing length and restrict your crop on the left to the end of the fuselage cutting off everything else. You really end up with a picture of "half a plane" here, if you understand my point.

    Having studied other peoples crops a rough understanding is you either focus/include the total wingspan or just focus on the fuselage, often including the horizontal stabilisers. Those seem to work as the safest options for such angles.
    Hey there I appreciate your kind words and helpful comments. But there are accepted photos like the one I am trying to post. Why do theirs get accepted - focus and sharpness apart.....?
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    Please show us examples of those photos you don't understand why they were accepted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex - Spot-This ! View Post
    Please show us examples of those photos you don't understand why they were accepted
    OK Alex thanks for the support.
    Take this photo here which was accpeted: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9166890
    I wanted to upload this photo but was told it looked akward - but I do not see any differnece in framing.... maybe the quality of the photo is a mess but not the framing.

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    As for the in flight Turkish 737 cropping I agree with gxaid that my photo is skewed to one side excessively compared to accepted photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post
    OK Alex thanks for the support.
    Take this photo here which was accpeted: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9166890
    I wanted to upload this photo but was told it looked akward - but I do not see any differnece in framing.... maybe the quality of the photo is a mess but not the framing.

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    As for the in flight Turkish 737 cropping I agree with gxaid that my photo is skewed to one side excessively compared to accepted photos.
    The comment about your photo being "awkward" was for that photo here: https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=6988497. The United you are showing lacks basic quality to start with, but is not in your list of rejected photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkd001 View Post
    Hello,

    Not a screener , but I have need it to crop it, I would have cropped it, or behind the hanging of the lh engine, or behind the main landing gear.
    Something like this, although this is a skyshot of course. https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8668556

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    Hello Alberto,

    As I've said more, cut it of behind the wheels in the case of the Etihad 787 as also mentioned by Alex.
    Or cut it off behind the Etihad title.
    I'll give you another cropped accepted photo of me. https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8577887.
    Cropped photos like these are also not included in FR24 is my experience.
    I've also almost left cropping side-on shots tbh, but that's a decision everyone personal has to take.

    All the Best.

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    Happy New Year to Screeners and Spotters

    Back to my cropping issue - yes I know - not again
    Here is my culprit photo which many of you deemed not OK due to centering, cropping, etc.

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    But my dear friends - this next photo is the same exact cropping and was accepted.

    https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9181739

    I just want the straight story - is this kind of cropping OK or not?
    Or do female spotters get more relaxed rules? (just kidding)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post
    Happy New Year to Screeners and Spotters

    Back to my cropping issue - yes I know - not again
    Here is my culprit photo which many of you deemed not OK due to centering, cropping, etc.

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    But my dear friends - this next photo is the same exact cropping and was accepted.

    https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9181739

    I just want the straight story - is this kind of cropping OK or not?
    Or do female spotters get more relaxed rules? (just kidding)

    Take care amigos
    Always borderline, but the photo in the db is cropped closer to the tail, which does make it look more appealing.

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    I lost my appeal regarding these two rejections but I think there is some confusion.

    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7053794
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7053799

    They are 2 different planes.
    One has the rejection that the registration is wrong (uploaded in queue as TC-JRV but should be TC-JTM)
    The other is fine and dandy (TC-JRV)

    The error is only in the first photo - not the second.
    You are penalizing the second when the first is subject to the error (and has been correctly rejected).
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post
    I lost my appeal regarding these two rejections but I think there is some confusion.

    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7053794
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7053799

    They are 2 different planes.
    One has the rejection that the registration is wrong (uploaded in queue as TC-JRV but should be TC-JTM)
    The other is fine and dandy (TC-JRV)

    The error is only in the first photo - not the second.
    You are penalizing the second when the first is subject to the error (and has been correctly rejected).
    Unfortunately you will need to upload the image(s) again. When screening, the system simply checks if there is another image with the same reg. in the DB/queue, and displays a thumbnail if selected. The incorrect reg. on the second image caused the system to flag the first one, which if seen from the thumbnail would definitely qualify as similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    Unfortunately you will need to upload the image(s) again. When screening, the system simply checks if there is another image with the same reg. in the DB/queue, and displays a thumbnail if selected. The incorrect reg. on the second image caused the system to flag the first one, which if seen from the thumbnail would definitely qualify as similar.
    Roger dodger Dana thanks for the help - will upload both (with more attention)
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    Well screeners I have come to the conclusion that behind closed doors, there is a team in dark suits that decides the following.
    Accept 20 or 30 photos and reject the next 5 or 10 (regardless if the photo is fine). This trend is normal. The rejections make no sense. And furthermore one can only appeal one rejection per day.

    I hope you understand that I am kidding...but my latest rejections seem like the motifs are quite random and subject to opinion.
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    This says OVEREXPOSED. I do not agree since the metering of the camera was perfectly aligned.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7076385

    This says OVEREXPOSED. I do not agree since the metering of the camera was perfectly aligned.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7076382

    This says OVEREXPOSED and TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE CONTRAST. I do not agree since the metering of the camera was perfectly aligned. Contrast is fine to me.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7076381

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072543

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072537

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072531

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072530

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072519


    Any help and explanation is welcome
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post
    This says OVEREXPOSED. I do not agree since the metering of the camera was perfectly aligned.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7076385

    This says OVEREXPOSED. I do not agree since the metering of the camera was perfectly aligned.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7076382

    This says OVEREXPOSED and TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE CONTRAST. I do not agree since the metering of the camera was perfectly aligned. Contrast is fine to me.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7076381

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072543

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072537

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072531

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072530

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072519


    Any help and explanation is welcome
    Just a remark on the first two I checked:
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7076385
    CLEARLY overexposed, no matter what the metering in your camera says. Check the histogram, if you don't believe it.

    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072543
    Green-ish colour cast. Could also have to do, that your photos are saved without any embedded colour space. Different browsers will render the colours in a different way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072543

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072537

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072531

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072530

    This says BAD COLOR. I know I have issues with color but I asked 4 different people and they see no issues with color here.
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7072519
    Does that mean you talked to 20 different people or the same 4 who repeated themselves?

    If the latter, you might want to stop asking them for advice on color, as there is clearly a green/cyan cast as Geri indicated. You know you have had issues with color in the past, so why is it so surprising that you are having them again? To resolve the issue, how are you selecting the white balance? Are you doing it manually, or do you have it set to auto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    Does that mean you talked to 20 different people or the same 4 who repeated themselves?

    If the latter, you might want to stop asking them for advice on color, as there is clearly a green/cyan cast as Geri indicated. You know you have had issues with color in the past, so why is it so surprising that you are having them again? To resolve the issue, how are you selecting the white balance? Are you doing it manually, or do you have it set to auto?
    I do not agree with the metering / histogram issue. It is a one way street so no matter how much I argue you will not agree.
    As for the color issue I also do not agree. This time, unlike the other times, it is borderline. But once again I know you will not agree.

    Geri says that my photos might be saved without any embedded colour space. I save them as RAW in my computer and open them with photoshop using the guidelines detailed here in the JP forums.
    Sure I might be a dumb spotter using automatic whitebalance... but the damage is done. So what do you suggest? Stop uploading the rest of my photos until I start using manual whitebalance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceriana View Post
    Sure I might be a dumb spotter using automatic whitebalance... but the damage is done. So what do you suggest? Stop uploading the rest of my photos until I start using manual whitebalance?
    If that is in fact what is causing the issues, then perhaps yes, or at least until you learn how to set the appropriate WB. Shooting automatic/manual WB is irrelevant if you're processing from RAW files, as the WB is very simple to adjust after the fact. If you want to avoid the frustration you are quite obviously having, you need to decide if you want to take the time to figure why you are not seeing the colors correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    If that is in fact what is causing the issues, then perhaps yes, or at least until you learn how to set the appropriate WB. Shooting automatic/manual WB is irrelevant if you're processing from RAW files, as the WB is very simple to adjust after the fact. If you want to avoid the frustration you are quite obviously having, you need to decide if you want to take the time to figure why you are not seeing the colors correctly.
    I guess that you are not a school teacher.
    Saying I need to sit down and figure out my problem - is truly not a constructive approach.
    You can very well see that despite my many times asking for help - I get vague answers. I have asked more than once if there is something or somewhere in Photoshop that can correct this issue.

    This is why I am annoyed. I am trying to learn but not receiving the help I need. You said it clearly "the WB is very simple to adjust after the fact" - how?
    If for some reason you prefer not to tell me - just say so - and I will stop bothering you here in the forum.
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    I'm not so sure.. your previous two posts seemed more intent on trying to convince that there was no problem with the color. Now you are prepared to admit that there is in fact an issue? Like I said above, you need to be able to see that there is a problem before beginning to fix it. Telling you the steps in adjusting the WB (actually just one step) would be pointless if you didn't know what or why you were doing it. I'd be happy to take a look at one of the RAW files of the rejected images and reprocess it so the color comes out better.

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