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    An Antonov An-148 operated by Saratov Airlines and carrying 65 passengers and six crew went missing shortly after take-off from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport, an emergency services source told Russian media.
    “The airplane reportedly crashed outside Argunovo village [in the Moscow region],” the source told Interfax news agency. “The crew and passengers had no chance.”

    The Russian Emergencies Ministry says it is verifying reports that the An-148 has crashed outside Moscow.

    The aircraft departed from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport and was heading for Orsk, a city lying close to the Russia-Kazakhstan border.

    An Antonov An-148 operated by Saratov Airlines and carrying 65 passengers and six crew went missing shortly after take-off from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport, an emergency services source told Russian media.



    Apparently this is the plane that crashed:
    RA-61704

    EDIT:
    Indeed this is the crashed plane, here is a link to the flight radar:
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  • #2
    Tragic

    Just saw this news. RIP.

    Originally posted by ErezS View Post
    An Antonov An-148 operated by Saratov Airlines and carrying 65 passengers and six crew went missing shortly after take-off from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport, an emergency services source told Russian media.
    “The airplane reportedly crashed outside Argunovo village [in the Moscow region],” the source told Interfax news agency. “The crew and passengers had no chance.”

    The Russian Emergencies Ministry says it is verifying reports that the An-148 has crashed outside Moscow.

    The aircraft departed from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport and was heading for Orsk, a city lying close to the Russia-Kazakhstan border.

    An Antonov An-148 operated by Saratov Airlines and carrying 65 passengers and six crew went missing shortly after take-off from Moscow’s Domodedovo airport, an emergency services source told Russian media.



    Apparently this is the plane that crashed:
    RA-61704

    EDIT:
    Indeed this is the crashed plane, here is a link to the flight radar:
    https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...61704#106596d0

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    • #3
      In flight break up around 6000 ft seems to be a part of the slightly factual rumor mill...

      Along with engine fires and heroic efforts to guide the plane away from people on the ground, of course.
      Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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      • #4
        The crash was caught on a surveillance camera. Not very good footage due to the distance, but it still shows the impact and explosion.

        A deadly plane crash in Russia Sunday that left 71 people dead was captured on surveillance footage which appears to show the moment the An-148 crashed just minutes after it took off.


        Russian plane crash kills all 71 people on board, state media sayMOSCOW — A Russian plane carrying 71 people crashed shortly after takeoff in the Moscow regi...


        Half way through the video is a zoomed in version of the crash.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NY Times
          FlightRadar24, an online site that tracks real-time flight information, shows the plane losing altitude just six minutes after takeoff. It reached 6,400 feet before dropping to 5,800 feet, rising again briefly and falling sharply...
          It's beginning to look a lot like....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Evan View Post
            It's beginning to look a lot like....
            Loss of control in IMC?
            Stall?
            Unreliable airspeed?
            AF-447?
            Colgan 3407?
            All of the above?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
              Loss of control in IMC? Should not happen with working AI
              Stall? Generally requires slightly insidious speed loss or fear-induced relentless pull ups.
              Unreliable airspeed? Use AI and familiar, robust pitch and power (and heed stall warnings)
              AF-447? Independent joy sticks and a FBW system that destroys basic airmanship AND THEN GOES BEZERK OVER PITOT ICING are generally required.
              Colgan 3407? A mechanism to slow way down insidiously at a very low altitude during descent/approach is needed.
              All of the above? Doesn't fit all that great.
              '

              No strong statement here, you are aware of other possibilities, maybe a bit too speculative over some radar-indicated altitude changes..

              Better wait for the final report.
              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                Loss of control in IMC?
                Stall?
                Unreliable airspeed?
                AF-447?
                Colgan 3407?
                All of the above?
                Or Icing ?

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                • #9
                  Not sure if this is of any value to anyone, but here's an image with the same flight track the day before (bluish green line), with the 'crash' flight track (hot pink) superimposed. They are identic (except for a touch of scaling error on my part I've not fixed exactly right).Click image for larger version

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                    Loss of control in IMC?
                    Stall?
                    Unreliable airspeed?
                    AF-447?
                    Colgan 3407?
                    All of the above?
                    Sudden loss of autopilot (or failure to engage it + assumption that it is engaged whilst aircraft is actually in an undetected descent) followed by up-pulling behavior leading to theoretic Gabriellian condition known as Vst = Vs * √n (or something)?

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                    • #11
                      Or Germanwings 9525

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                      • #12
                        About 1:25 into this video... they recovered that time
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                        • #13
                          The crash of An-148 passenger plane in the Moscow Region may have been caused by incorrect flight speed data due to icing, the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) said after deciphering the flight data recorder.

                          Investigators suspect that pitot icing may have been a factor. Looking at the CCTV video, looks like IMC.

                          Pitot icing in IMC, makes me sad.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Quench View Post
                            ***Pitot icing in IMC***
                            Use familiar robust attitude and power settings.

                            (or do as Evan would like and consult FCOMQRHPOH to look up one specific robust power and attitude setting)...maybe use a setting you are familiar with while the PNF looks up the scientifically engineered figures...but only for as short of time as possible.
                            Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                              Use familiar robust attitude and power settings after the confusion of the sudden loss of autoflght that, because you aren't practiced on memory items, led you to pull up into a stall for reasons you cannot explain, and die.

                              (or do as Evan would like and consult your memorized training to look up one specific robust power and attitude setting once the situation is stabilized by memory items)...maybe use a setting you are familiar with from your memory items training while the PNF looks up the scientifically engineered figures...but only for as short of time as possible.
                              Concur.

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