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    Quote Originally Posted by PrestonFiedler View Post
    Not a screener, but EasyJet looks dark, noisy, compressed, Vueling appears to me to be blurry/soft, noisy, compressed, and possibly heat hazed.
    Thx Preston
    Boy, oh boy, there's no salvation from here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    1. dark, heat haze, compression
    2. soft, overprocessed (pretty strong editing halos)
    Thx dlowwa

    All the sins in the Universe and a couple more I believe ..

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    How about this new version ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post
    How about this new version ?
    2. borderline oversharpened/overprocessed
    4. ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    2. borderline oversharpened/overprocessed
    4. ok
    Thx dlowwa

    Photo 2, wasn't the best one to start with.
    A bit darker, overcast, taken with lots of haze @45ºc/113ºF.
    The above border line, probably was the result of applying a mask/processing just to the sky. Probably needed some additional sharpner/halo work.

    Ok now I start to understand the sentence : "Photoshop can make miracles".

    thanks again for your time and help

    /rgds

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    Dear all

    Can you be so kind (as usual) and comment this batch ? thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post
    Dear all

    Can you be so kind (as usual) and comment this batch ? thx

    /rgds
    All borderline for the same three issues: color (too yellow), compression, and heat haze. First two problems should be easy enough to fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    All borderline for the same three issues: color (too yellow), compression, and heat haze. First two problems should be easy enough to fix.
    Thx dlowwa

    The compression I believe I can see it... however neither the color, neither the haze. Tried a couple of times... but didn't notice a difference in my edits.
    As such, I've applyed a new technique...basically doing all the filtering before cropping...and later applying some of them again.

    Since today was cold, shot several new photos in a different angle ... so probably haze and yellow may have gone , who knows

    Here's then the catch of the day. (as soon as I finish my tests , I'll go back the previous ones )

    Thanks again for your time and help

    /rgds
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post
    Dear all

    Can you be so kind (as usual) and comment this batch ? thx

    /rgds
    Here's a new editing
    /rgds
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post
    Thx dlowwa

    The compression I believe I can see it... however neither the color, neither the haze. Tried a couple of times... but didn't notice a difference in my edits.
    As such, I've applyed a new technique...basically doing all the filtering before cropping...and later applying some of them again.

    Since today was cold, shot several new photos in a different angle ... so probably haze and yellow may have gone , who knows

    Here's then the catch of the day. (as soon as I finish my tests , I'll go back the previous ones )

    Thanks again for your time and help

    /rgds
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    Images are all dark, and borderline overprocessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    Images are all dark, and borderline overprocessed.
    Thx dlowwa

    dark ? ok. got it.
    How about this one (new camera, new lens, new spot position) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post
    Thx dlowwa

    dark ? ok. got it.
    How about this one (new camera, new lens, new spot position) ?

    /rgds
    This one is backlit. You need to take the photos with the sun behind you, better try another location.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcruvinel View Post
    This one is backlit. You need to take the photos with the sun behind you, better try another location.

    Cheers,

    Vinicius
    Thx vcruvinel

    Well, I really need to understand this technicall stuff, can you provide me some more detail regarding the backlit ? thx

    First, can it be corrected is these photos ?
    How can we measure/define it ?

    There should be more/less contract between plane and sky ?

    Photo 3 , as a light sky ? is it better ?

    In fact, photo 3 lots the perfect photo to me. All parts of the plane ,below and above are clearly defined and expose . No shadows no highligts
    And taking in consideration that the sun was just above the plane, maybe a tidy bit for my side... that's not bad.
    ( so technically the sun was behind me )

    Should the sky be lighter ? the Sky in Lisbon is as strong and blue as in the photo.
    The exposure and temperature of the photos is almost as it came from the camera... not much compensation there.

    TAP colours, like the general colour temperature in Portugal are very strong.... so maybe reducing a bit the saturation could help . What do you thing ?

    I'm including a couple more examples... just to confirm.... (well, the problem)

    thanks again for your time and help
    /rgds
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    In the meantime, I've just notice a huge difference between the colour I see and the color that produced after uploading it.
    The colour I see is much more light and soft than after updating it

    Very strange ...

    and yes, I agree, I don't like these colours.

    What colour do you see on your screen ? the lighter or the strong one ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post

    TAP colours, like the general colour temperature in Portugal are very strong.... so maybe reducing a bit the saturation could help . What do you thing ?

    I'm including a couple more examples... just to confirm.... (well, the problem)
    These images are all backlit as well.

    Portugal does not have special lighting conditions, any more than Spain, Italy, Greece, Japan, the U.S., or anywhere else along the same latitude. The images are backlit due to the angle of the aircraft in relation to you and the sun. Regardless of the sun's position to you, it is on the other side of the aircraft in relation to you, so the aircraft are mostly in shadow. This is most easily confirmed by looking at the tail, which is in shadow for all of these examples. None of these images would ever be accepted here, as this cannot be fixed by editing. You will simply need to go back and take new images at a different time of day or different location when the sun is on the same side of the aircraft as you.

    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post
    In the meantime, I've just notice a huge difference between the colour I see and the color that produced after uploading it.
    The colour I see is much more light and soft than after updating it

    Very strange ...

    and yes, I agree, I don't like these colours.

    What colour do you see on your screen ? the lighter or the strong one ?
    Make sure that the color profile for your working space matches your browser's default color space (usually sRGB) to ensure the colors match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    These images are all backlit as well.

    Portugal does not have special lighting conditions, any more than Spain, Italy, Greece, Japan, the U.S., or anywhere else along the same latitude. The images are backlit due to the angle of the aircraft in relation to you and the sun. Regardless of the sun's position to you, it is on the other side of the aircraft in relation to you, so the aircraft are mostly in shadow. This is most easily confirmed by looking at the tail, which is in shadow for all of these examples. None of these images would ever be accepted here, as this cannot be fixed by editing. You will simply need to go back and take new images at a different time of day or different location when the sun is on the same side of the aircraft as you.



    Make sure that the color profile for your working space matches your browser's default color space (usually sRGB) to ensure the colors match.
    Thx dlowwa

    #Regardless of the sun's position to you, it is on the other side of the aircraft in relation to you, so the aircraft are mostly in shadow.
    Ok.

    what's is good angle to the plane ? 90º

    looking at this foto (out of the camera, no touch) everything seems to be well exposed well. I see no shadows,
    and the sun is the same side as me... not 90º, but probably 30.

    #None of these images would ever be accepted here,
    Sure, I have no problems with that, I'm just tried to figure out the rules of the game.
    In this airport we have spots , left and rigth of the runway, so it's easy to follow the sun. That's not the problem.

    #Make sure that the color profile for your working space matches your browser's default color space (usually sRGB) to ensure the colors match.
    got it... trying with another browser ..it looks ok... which is good, that means that you are also seeing the correct corrects.

    thanks again for your time and help

    /rgds
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post
    Thx dlowwa

    #Regardless of the sun's position to you, it is on the other side of the aircraft in relation to you, so the aircraft are mostly in shadow.
    Ok.

    what's is good angle to the plane ? 90º

    looking at this foto (out of the camera, no touch) everything seems to be well exposed well. I see no shadows,
    and the sun is the same side as me... not 90º, but probably 30.

    #None of these images would ever be accepted here,
    Sure, I have no problems with that, I'm just tried to figure out the rules of the game.
    In this airport we have spots , left and rigth of the runway, so it's easy to follow the sun. That's not the problem.

    #Make sure that the color profile for your working space matches your browser's default color space (usually sRGB) to ensure the colors match.
    got it... trying with another browser ..it looks ok... which is good, that means that you are also seeing the correct corrects.

    thanks again for your time and help

    /rgds
    Colors seems OK.
    But this image is still backlit, as the tail is in shadow. Apparently the sun was on the right side of you , because the Easyjet lining up is in completele sunlight.
    That's the kind of light you shpuld use to bring photos to the DB.
    As Dana and Vinicius are mentioning . keep the sun full in your back.
    Don't know Lisbon, but you should use this spot on another time of the day.

    Best Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post
    Thx dlowwa

    #Regardless of the sun's position to you, it is on the other side of the aircraft in relation to you, so the aircraft are mostly in shadow.
    Ok.

    what's is good angle to the plane ? 90º

    looking at this foto (out of the camera, no touch) everything seems to be well exposed well. I see no shadows,
    and the sun is the same side as me... not 90º, but probably 30.

    #None of these images would ever be accepted here,
    Sure, I have no problems with that, I'm just tried to figure out the rules of the game.
    In this airport we have spots , left and rigth of the runway, so it's easy to follow the sun. That's not the problem.

    #Make sure that the color profile for your working space matches your browser's default color space (usually sRGB) to ensure the colors match.
    got it... trying with another browser ..it looks ok... which is good, that means that you are also seeing the correct corrects.

    thanks again for your time and help

    /rgds
    The last photo is again slightly backlit and the aircraft too far away.

    Regarding colour space: Colour space is tagged as sRGB, but without an embedded colour profile. Windows and Mac browsers and apps treat the colours randomly. So, on your system, the photo may look OK, on another PC or Mac maybe not.

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    Dear vcruvinel, wkd001, LX-A343, dlowwa

    Thx a million for your help and patience.

    Plane spotting should/is fun and it looks I'm making things complex.
    Far from the trued...I just want to navigate this waters... so I need some help to understand the wind.

    Anyway, let's start with some info regarding LPPT where runways 3/21 are just perfect to take photos in the morning or in the afternoon.
    Typical in good weather 3 is used for landing and in bad weather 21.

    Along the 3, there basicaly 3 spot areas
    ( from the left side - aftertoon shots )
    1) one just near the fence... probably 50 meters ways from planes
    2) the other, another 50 meters ways, across the road in a 10 meters elevation area.
    both of these runs along a 300-500 meters span.

    (form the rigth side, for shots in the morning )
    1) One in a parking/station/Mac area.


    As such, in the afternoon, there's lots of spot to choose from ...
    from 50 to 100 meters aways of the planes
    and along the runway from 300 meters before the begining of the runway to 200 meters after the begining.

    So, when I start posting some photos here... I started in the farway spot.
    The first comments where : to soft, haze, compressed

    Then I move to a closer place : still haze, compressed, dark

    Then I change camera, lens and spot, trying to remove the haze by shooting from below : backlit

    Ok, I'm doing all tests at the same time. find the best place, choose the rigth camera/lens.... and hope that the photo be sharp.
    All the tests were done a different time of the day... when was possible to pass by and stop to take a couple of pictures.

    I need to know the rules of the game : size, position, colours, sharpeness, colour temperature,shadows, highlights, saturation, etc,etc
    It's so easy to go wrong with any of these and have a refused photo.


    Well, let's move along , I believe I've learn a couple of things... looking at my first photo and the latest I see some improvements ( but's only me )

    So I'll insist a couple more times.

    Another day, another run:

    So today, just toke a 5 min stop ( my wife yelling in the car ) at 19pm ... the sun just making a 90º angle with the runnway.
    and shot these 5 photos.


    /rgds
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.m. View Post
    Dear vcruvinel, wkd001, LX-A343, dlowwa

    ..


    Well, let's move along , I believe I've learn a couple of things... looking at my first photo and the latest I see some improvements ( but's only me )

    So I'll insist a couple more times.

    Another day, another run:

    So today, just toke a 5 min stop ( my wife yelling in the car ) at 19pm ... the sun just making a 90º angle with the runnway.
    and shot these 5 photos.


    /rgds
    No. 1, 3 an5 5 are somewhat dark but moreover look over processed, there is a sort of halo/light line around the fuselage. No 5 is also soft
    No. 2 and 4 look acceptable to me
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