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    Hello.

    I have some trouble understanding what is the correct amount of "sharpening" requested for a good pic in jetphotos and how to achieve it. Can someone give me some advice or point out some good tutorial about that? I normally use the raw/output Sharpener Pro 3 tools from Nik collection, but I'm still wondering about the various settings in them.

    Here are two photos I got rejected. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio Canobbio View Post
    Hello.

    I have some trouble understanding what is the correct amount of "sharpening" requested for a good pic in jetphotos and how to achieve it. Can someone give me some advice or point out some good tutorial about that? I normally use the raw/output Sharpener Pro 3 tools from Nik collection, but I'm still wondering about the various settings in them.

    Here are two photos I got rejected. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you!

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    Sergio, I`m not from the crew, but IMHO the photo #1 is blurry in the wheels from the front and add more sharpening will not correct it, but it`s just an opinion. About photo #2, as you can see, there are jaggies around the SWISS logo/name, so this one is oversharpened. When you have a lot of jaggies it`s normally indicate that the photos is oversharpened.


    About the settings, I use the Smart Sharpen Tool from PS, so I sharpen the image in full size and after resize to the upload size, if necessary, I apply a bit more sharpen. And also...try to see more photos in JP to take some base to your photos.

    Cheers,

    Vinicius

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcruvinel View Post
    Sergio, I`m not from the crew, but IMHO the photo #1 is blurry in the wheels from the front and add more sharpening will not correct it, but it`s just an opinion. About photo #2, as you can see, there are jaggies around the SWISS logo/name, so this one is oversharpened. When you have a lot of jaggies it`s normally indicate that the photos is oversharpened.


    About the settings, I use the Smart Sharpen Tool from PS, so I sharpen the image in full size and after resize to the upload size, if necessary, I apply a bit more sharpen. And also...try to see more photos in JP to take some base to your photos.

    Cheers,

    Vinicius
    Thank you very much, Vinicius. These are very useful infos.

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    What about this photo? I have checked jaggies and it seems ok. However, is composition acceptable, or would it be better to crop the right wing in order to center the fuselage? Thank you.

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    I think it just need a bit of CCW rotation.

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    Hello! the first one in my opinion is blurry, you can check that the landing gear is blurred, the second look at the oversharp in the shadows. regards

    QUOTE=Sergio Canobbio;670081]Hello.

    I have some trouble understanding what is the correct amount of "sharpening" requested for a good pic in jetphotos and how to achieve it. Can someone give me some advice or point out some good tutorial about that? I normally use the raw/output Sharpener Pro 3 tools from Nik collection, but I'm still wondering about the various settings in them.

    Here are two photos I got rejected. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you!

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    in my opinion need more space on the edges especially in the wing, needs to be centralized, I think, my opinion, regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio Canobbio View Post
    What about this photo? I have checked jaggies and it seems ok. However, is composition acceptable, or would it be better to crop the right wing in order to center the fuselage? Thank you.

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    It's sharp in front but the bottom looks soft, this is probably due to the lack of depth of field. I recommend not going under F.8 with your lense (that was 6.3 there)

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    ^ Thank you very much everybody!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex - Spot-This ! View Post
    It's sharp in front but the bottom looks soft, this is probably due to the lack of depth of field. I recommend not going under F.8 with your lense (that was 6.3 there)

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    Thank you. I always set the camera very open with airplanes, in order to increase speed, but indeed if the plane is not on axis the depth of field could not be sufficient. I will remember this!

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    Hello. May I ask for a pre-screening evaluation? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio Canobbio View Post
    Hello. May I ask for a pre-screening evaluation? Thank you.

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    No 1 borderline oversharpened, 2-4 seem acceptable, no. 5 is backlit

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    I submitted this photo:

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    as a "ramp" photo, because I knew it did not meet the standards for an "aircraft" photo, but I thought it could be interesting to see a glimpse of the airport activity in Pyongyang.

    I got it rejected for:
    - Backlit
    - Too much or too little contrast
    - Bad Info: Airline,Aircraft,Registration,Serial Number/CN
    - Vignetting not allowed

    I'm quite sure the info was right (ramp, ZKPY), am I wrong in something? Serial of the aircraft in which I was sitting is needed maybe? I applied this rule: "for airport photos of Control Towers, Terminals, etc., type in the airport 4 letter (ICAO) code in both the Registration and Airport fields" with leaves no room for the airplane registration number. It is also said that "an airport overview taken from inside an aircraft, with part of the wing visible should be uploaded as wing view", but in the rule 1.2.6 it is not stated that the registration of the airport should be changed with the one of the airplane. Sorry to bother, I'm just trying to understand.

    Is the "no backlit" a requirement even for aircrafts in a "ramp" photo? I think the subject is the ramp activity and not the aircraft.

    Vignetting is due to the airplane window polarization, which is quite common in wing views, I think.


    Thank you in advance for any advice.

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    Hi,
    Ramp shots need at least 3 aircrafts to be considered as ramp view. Plane which is the main subject, is indeed totally backlit which results in poor contrast. As you are shooting from the plane with the wing visible you should upload it with the info of the plane you're in.
    Vignetting is way too strong and please check forum for more details on how to get rid of it.
    Sure it's an interesting shot but since organised aviation tours have been common in DPRK, we got really good pics from Air Koryo's fleet or Pyongyang activity so it's not that rare anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex - Spot-This ! View Post
    Hi,
    Ramp shots need at least 3 aircrafts to be considered as ramp view. Plane which is the main subject, is indeed totally backlit which results in poor contrast. As you are shooting from the plane with the wing visible you should upload it with the info of the plane you're in.
    Vignetting is way too strong and please check forum for more details on how to get rid of it.
    Sure it's an interesting shot but since organised aviation tours have been common in DPRK, we got really good pics from Air Koryo's fleet or Pyongyang activity so it's not that rare anymore.

    Kind regards
    Alex
    Thank you Alex, these are very useful explanations!

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    Hello. I got this photo rejected:

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    with the following reason: "Part of aircraft cut off"

    I already uploaded successfully a couple of other "wing view" photos, with a lesser amount of wing visible:

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    Is the problem keyed to the fact that the winglet is cut off? In a broader sense, is there anywhere in the forum a topic about rules such as "at least 3 aircrafts on a ramp" or "the winglet must not be cut off in a wing view" which are not included in the guidelines? Thank you for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio Canobbio View Post
    Hello. I got this photo rejected:

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    with the following reason: "Part of aircraft cut off"

    Is the problem keyed to the fact that the winglet is cut off?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio Canobbio View Post
    In a broader sense, is there anywhere in the forum a topic about rules such as "at least 3 aircrafts on a ramp" or "the winglet must not be cut off in a wing view" which are not included in the guidelines?
    You will not find any guidelines for such things, as they are subjective, just as you will not find any guidelines on exactly how much contrast is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    Yes.
    You will not find any guidelines for such things, as they are subjective, just as you will not find any guidelines on exactly how much contrast is correct.
    Thank you, dlowwa, for the explanation. This make sense.

    In your opinion, would the photo work, if I crop out the upper and left sides so that the visible part of the wing is only the rear one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio Canobbio View Post
    Thank you, dlowwa, for the explanation. This make sense.

    In your opinion, would the photo work, if I crop out the upper and left sides so that the visible part of the wing is only the rear one?
    I'm not sure any crop of the end of the wing that doesn't include the winglet completely would work, but I'd need to see to be more certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    I'm not sure any crop of the end of the wing that doesn't include the winglet completely would work, but I'd need to see to be more certain.
    Yes, sorry about not thinking of showing you the idea. BTW, I would like to say that your assiduous help is really really really appreciated. Thank you.

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