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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostI think I am not making myself clear,, so here it goes again, for the third time, with emphasis added
My comment is simply that they blew it. If I was supposed to check for correct controls, that depiction is wrong AND hopefully I would not be a shithead and not notice.
But instead of the dude staring at the wrong control indications and not registering, my money is that they blew it off or the guy didn’t really look... and that the habit of blowing through “free only” might have fueled his sloppiness.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by TeeVee View Postguess we can add untied to the list of airlines you won't fly, eh?
See: The United Debarcle
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostI think I hear you.
My comment is simply that they blew it. If I was supposed to check for correct controls, that depiction is wrong AND hopefully I would not be a shithead and not notice.
But instead of the dude staring at the wrong control indications and not registering, my money is that they blew it off or the guy didn’t really look... and that the habit of blowing through “free only” might have fueled his sloppiness.
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Originally posted by Evan View Post[Spoilerons are] Asymmetrical spoilers used for roll control.
I think the roll spoilers are more effective at high speeds. The spoilerons in particular.
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
- Yes, pilots need to know about the MCAS. If the trim wheel starts to crank by itself, the pilots should be left to wonder "what it is doing now" because we did not tell them about this little detail.
- Trim runaway can happen for a number of reasons. MCAS activate by a wrong AOA indication is only one of them. When there is a trim runaway, whatever the reason, pilot are expected to recognize it and apply the EXISTING procedures that are THE SAME in the MAX than in the NG. Fly the plane first, make the diagnostic later. Apparently doing the trim runaway procedure would have worked ok in this case. They could have used the trim switch in the yoke to temporarily stop the trim motion and apply corrective trim as needed, then they could and should have used the trim cutout switches to turn off the trim motor, and even they could have grabbed the trim wheel to make it stop and turn it manually in the direction they needed. They did not need to know about the MCAS to do any of that.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostBut you said:
So are the spoilerons a subset within the roll spoilers (which is the name I've always seen) or what?
But maybe they are all considered spoilerons.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostIf they didn't do it (as apparently the didn't), that unforgivable and inexcusable. (and you know what this little dot means).
It has happened before; it will probably happen again.
Ask ITS...remember the Gulfstream? which you said didn’t need control locks.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Preliminary report out.
Nothing super surprising. Maintenance screwed up by mis-routing the aileron cables (helped by instructions that were not super clear) and then let the issue slip through several layers of Swiss cheese that should have detected it. Finally the flight crew didn't detect it either in the pre-flight checks although it is not very clear how detectable it was.
I still don't understand how they survived. And I am not talking about the several times they lost control that they suffered when they were already at altitude but how they didn't just crash right after lift-off.
Whatever they had for breakfast, I want some. It gave them either extreme brilliancy or extreme luck (or both).
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Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
I still don't understand how they survived. And I am not talking about the several times they lost control that they suffered when they were already at altitude but how they didn't just crash right after lift-off.
Whatever they had for breakfast, I want some. It gave them either extreme brilliancy or extreme luck (or both).
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Originally posted by ATLcrew View PostWhen you're flying for Make Benefit The Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan, nothing can harm you. (you may or may not get the reference).
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