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    ANAHUAC, Texas - A Mesa Airlines employee has been identified as one of the people aboard Saturday's deadly cargo plane crash.

    Captain Sean Archuleta was a pilot for Mesa since 2013, officials said. He was riding in the jump seat of the aircraft to travel to Houston to fly another aircraft, according to Mesa Airlines.

    https://www.click2houston.com/news/t...argo-jet-crash

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    Mud is worse that water to collect the evidence. Would it be possible / sane to build a containment "wall" (even is just made of sand bags) around the 100 x 200 ft debris field and pump the 5 feet of water out? It's not so much water, like 10 to 20 Olympic-class swimming pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Mud is worse that water to collect the evidence. Would it be possible / sane to build a containment "wall" (even is just made of sand bags) around the 100 x 200 ft debris field and pump the 5 feet of water out? It's not so much water, like 10 to 20 Olympic-class swimming pool.
    Both flight recorders from Valujet 592 were retrieved and read out, so there is precedent for hope.

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    This was sent to me yesterday from one of the First Officers I used to fly with at Atlas. He says it was written by another Atlas pilot. True or not, it is written eloquently and with a deep understanding of what the life of a "Freight Dog" is like. Fair weather and tail winds my friends, I salute you.


    “When a freighter goes in, the world by and large seems to go about its daily business, the loss of life is absorbed with seemingly little notice or mention.

    For those of us who have lived and shared this life, this thing of ours, it can never be the case. The loss of of crew, friends, comrades, fellow sharers of the midnight struggles, the little victories between dusk and dawn against the weather and the clock, for us the loss is keenly felt.

    For as safe, regimented, regulated, and as automated as this profession has become, there is still no ironclad guarantees against disaster.

    We are involved in this business because we love this. There are easier ways to make a living, ways that don’t involve hurtling through the stratosphere at near sonic speeds, threading our way through weather and the night, while the rest of the planet sleeps below.

    Every flight we make is a profession of faith, and an expression of love, whether we are chasing a dream deeply held, providing for a family, or just finding peace amid the high silence beneath the quiet gaze of the stars and the moon.

    I will carry the memory of that Atlas crew with me onto the sky road this week, God bless and speed them, and give comfort to their families.

    Words at times aren’t sufficient, they are sometimes all we have, but they aren’t enough.

    Presence is required. Cheers to my brothers and sisters, love to you all, out.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoeingBobby View Post
    “When a freighter goes in, the world by and large seems to go about its daily business, the loss of life is absorbed with seemingly little notice or mention.”
    Yes, media and public attention is unfairly lessened when it's just the freight dog drivers that bite it.

    Conversely, it sucks a bit more when a couple hundred folks behind the cockpit door are forced to sit there with no ability to help themselves and ride it out, especially when Internet blowhards are around that know that relentless pull ups sometimes cause stalls.
    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3WE View Post
    Yes, media and public attention is unfairly lessened when it's just the freight dog drivers that bite it.

    Conversely, it sucks a bit more when a couple hundred folks behind the cockpit door are forced to sit there with no ability to help themselves and ride it out, especially when Internet blowhards are around that know that relentless pull ups sometimes cause stalls.
    Not really, the loss of one life is too many. You have proved the point of the letter to a tee! SMH

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    Quote Originally Posted by B757300 View Post
    Stolen from another site. Haven't had time to listen to it; a little over 30 minutes.

    ATC recording.

    http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ki...2019-1830Z.mp3
    Saw this mentioned on Twitter.

    Listen to it when ATC received an "Ok" from the pilot. Instantly after the "ok" it sounds like there is a GPWS "PULL!" audible in the background. I've listened to it about 30 times (using ear buds) and it does sound to me like a "PULL" is heard, but maybe its a case of having the thought already planted in my head so I hear what I'm expecting. Occurs right around the 8:40 mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B757300 View Post
    Saw this mentioned on Twitter.

    Listen to it when ATC received an "Ok" from the pilot. Instantly after the "ok" it sounds like there is a GPWS "PULL!" audible in the background. I've listened to it about 30 times (using ear buds) and it does sound to me like a "PULL" is heard, but maybe its a case of having the thought already planted in my head so I hear what I'm expecting. Occurs right around the 8:40 mark.
    Yes, I can hear that... whatever that is. However, I can also hear similar sounds elsewhere in the recording, for example at 8:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoeingBobby View Post
    This was sent to me yesterday from one of the First Officers I used to fly with at Atlas. He says it was written by another Atlas pilot. True or not, it is written eloquently and with a deep understanding of what the life of a "Freight Dog" is like. Fair weather and tail winds my friends, I salute you.


    “When a freighter goes in, the world by and large seems to go about its daily business, the loss of life is absorbed with seemingly little notice or mention.

    For those of us who have lived and shared this life, this thing of ours, it can never be the case. The loss of of crew, friends, comrades, fellow sharers of the midnight struggles, the little victories between dusk and dawn against the weather and the clock, for us the loss is keenly felt.

    For as safe, regimented, regulated, and as automated as this profession has become, there is still no ironclad guarantees against disaster.

    We are involved in this business because we love this. There are easier ways to make a living, ways that don’t involve hurtling through the stratosphere at near sonic speeds, threading our way through weather and the night, while the rest of the planet sleeps below.

    Every flight we make is a profession of faith, and an expression of love, whether we are chasing a dream deeply held, providing for a family, or just finding peace amid the high silence beneath the quiet gaze of the stars and the moon.

    I will carry the memory of that Atlas crew with me onto the sky road this week, God bless and speed them, and give comfort to their families.

    Words at times aren’t sufficient, they are sometimes all we have, but they aren’t enough.

    Presence is required. Cheers to my brothers and sisters, love to you all, out.”
    Nicely written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoeingBobby View Post
    Every flight we make is a profession of faith, and an expression of love, whether we are chasing a dream deeply held, providing for a family, or just finding peace amid the high silence beneath the quiet gaze of the stars and the moon.
    Amen.

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    TRINITY BAY, Texas (KTRK) --

    The names of three people who died in the Atlas Air flight 3591 crash in Chambers County Saturday have been released by law enforcement.

    Monday, authorities said pilot Sean Archuleta, Capt. Ricky Blakely and First Officer Conrad Jules Aska were killed when the Boeing 767 cargo jetliner heading to Houston went in nose first, leaving a debris field three-quarters of a mile long in Trinity Bay.

    Chambers County Sheriff's Office said two bodies have been recovered, but none have been identified.

    https://abc13.com/trinity-bay-jetlin...eased/5156380/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoeingBobby View Post
    This was sent to me yesterday from one of the First Officers I used to fly with at Atlas. He says it was written by another Atlas pilot. True or not, it is written eloquently and with a deep understanding of what the life of a "Freight Dog" is like. Fair weather and tail winds my friends, I salute you.


    “When a freighter goes in, the world by and large seems to go about its daily business, the loss of life is absorbed with seemingly little notice or mention.

    For those of us who have lived and shared this life, this thing of ours, it can never be the case. The loss of of crew, friends, comrades, fellow sharers of the midnight struggles, the little victories between dusk and dawn against the weather and the clock, for us the loss is keenly felt.

    For as safe, regimented, regulated, and as automated as this profession has become, there is still no ironclad guarantees against disaster.

    We are involved in this business because we love this. There are easier ways to make a living, ways that don’t involve hurtling through the stratosphere at near sonic speeds, threading our way through weather and the night, while the rest of the planet sleeps below.

    Every flight we make is a profession of faith, and an expression of love, whether we are chasing a dream deeply held, providing for a family, or just finding peace amid the high silence beneath the quiet gaze of the stars and the moon.

    I will carry the memory of that Atlas crew with me onto the sky road this week, God bless and speed them, and give comfort to their families.

    Words at times aren’t sufficient, they are sometimes all we have, but they aren’t enough.

    Presence is required. Cheers to my brothers and sisters, love to you all, out.”
    Sublime writing.

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    First video of the aircraft released. Barely shows anything; the 767 only appears for a second.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bmL0OmBabU

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    Wow.....just horrible.

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    And the flight data recorder has also been found.

    https://abc13.com/second-black-box-r...y-bay/5163154/

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    http://avherald.com/h?article=4c497c3c&opt=2048

    On Mar 5th 2019 the NTSB reported the download of the CVR was successfully completed, the last portion of the accident flight is available on the 2 hours' recording, the quality of the recording however is poor and it was difficult to determine what was being said, occasionally required advanced filter techniques. The aircraft was being vectored for an approach to Houston Intercontinental's airport's runway 26L. The NTSB stated: "Crew communications consistent with a loss control of the aircraft began approximately 18 seconds prior to the end of the recording." The FDR was also successfully read out, 54 hours of flight data spanning 17 flights were downloaded. The recorder stores about 350 parameters. The investigators are currently verifying and validating the FDR data. A transcript of the CVR is estimated to be compiled during the next week (Mar 11th and following).

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    A much clearer video of the aircraft has been released. This is the video footage that was mentioned during the first NTSB press conference.

    https://www.khou.com/article/news/lo...b-e9ea9e9abbf6

    https://www.click2houston.com/news/n...in-trinity-bay

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GeQycmuco4

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    I can see the nose, 2 wings, 2 engines, 2 sides if the horizontal tail, the angle doesn't let me see the fin but it seems to be flying very straight so I will assume that the fin is there.

    I think we can start to almost discard in flight break up.

    It also doesn't look like a stall, it didn't look like a stall since day 1 since the flightradar24 and flightaware sites showed quite healthy groundspeeds in the moments before the final dive.

    Also the flight path looks very straight, if it was a stall or any of the typical loss of control (including spatial disorientation) I would expect a not-so-wings-level flight.

    Finally, there doesn't seem to be any significant pitch-up motion.

    With that I would start the speculation:
    - Murdecide
    - Trim runaway
    - Severe multiple hydraulic systems failure
    - Control cables to the elevator severed (the elevator is hydraulically actuated but I believe that the servo valves are located in the tail and controlled with the yoke via mechanical cables that run under the cabin floor).
    - Any of the last 2 may have been caused by an uncontained engine failure.
    - Movable stabilizer failure (like Alaska's MD-80).

    Of course I can be totally wrong and it can be something totally different to any of the above. I suspect that we will know how this happened quite soon. [U]Why/U] will take longer.

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    Looks very CFITy to me, but we've already heard a report the the CVR is consistent with a loss of control situation.
    So UFIT is more likely.
    But perhaps working a control issue distracted them from flying the plane.

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