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BREAKING: Boeing 767 cargo jet operated by Atlas Air has crashed in Texas
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Originally posted by vaztr View PostI was under the impression the NTSB were going to update 'us' with more info a week after the CVR and FDR were found
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View PostAnd what might the rumors be? I have not seen any.
Got this info from my airlines unofficial forum. Unofficial of course .
The initial bobble is from turbulence at 6200’. When the FO called for flaps 1, the captain accidentally hit the toga button. Toga didn’t engage until after flaps were set to 1, which then brought engine power to full, and started the initial pitch of 10 degrees nose up. The FO was startled, and shoved the nose forward... The CVR is startling, and baffling. The CA was pulling so hard against the FO that he sheared the pins on the stick and at that point had no control. They were IMC at the time. When they broke out into VMC, the FO said oh schit and started to pull. That was the round out you see. I won’t get into anything more until everything comes out. The records, the CVR, and what happened in the flight deck is truly shocking. They hit a negative 4 G dive initialy on the FOs push. All you hear is stuff hitting the ceiling and at one point a loud thud. They think the thud may have been the JS hitting the ceiling and maybe not wearing the shoulder harness. Like I said, I won’t get into anything more about the background of how it all happened. This is the accident in a nutshell. The facts that will come out are shocking.
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Originally posted by Black Ram View PostNot sure why the NTSB hasn't released this info.
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14.3. Per 49 USC Section1114(c), a factual report with a transcript is released to the public
only under the following circumstances (see 49 USC Section 1114(c)–Disclosure,
availability, and use of information).
14.3.1. In the event that a public hearing is held, the CVR factual report with the attached
transcript shall be released into the public docket at the time of the public hearing.
The general public, including parties to the investigation, may not receive the CVR
transcript prior to the time of the public hearing.
14.3.2. In the event that a public hearing is not held, the CVR factual report is released into
the public docket only when the majority of the factual reports are placed into the
docket. The general public, including parties to the investigation, may not receive the
CVR transcript prior to the time the transcript is placed into the public docket.
--- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
--- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---
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The initial bobble is from turbulence at 6200’. When the FO called for flaps 1, the captain accidentally hit the toga button. Toga didn’t engage until after flaps were set to 1, which then brought engine power to full, and started the initial pitch of 10 degrees nose up. The FO was startled, and shoved the nose forward... The CVR is startling, and baffling. The CA was pulling so hard against the FO that he sheared the pins on the stick and at that point had no control. They were IMC at the time. When they broke out into VMC, the FO said oh schit and started to pull. That was the round out you see. I won’t get into anything more until everything comes out. The records, the CVR, and what happened in the flight deck is truly shocking. They hit a negative 4 G dive initialy on the FOs push. All you hear is stuff hitting the ceiling and at one point a loud thud. They think the thud may have been the JS hitting the ceiling and maybe not wearing the shoulder harness. Like I said, I won’t get into anything more about the background of how it all happened. This is the accident in a nutshell. The facts that will come out are shocking.
This looks like another perfectly tragic lesson in the supreme power of startle factor and situational confusion. Not that we needed another lesson.
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