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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    $ 23,795 !!!!
    And it doesn't even have a lavatory!
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    A little more on the off-topic, what exactly does water rescue have to do with aviation? Most civilized countries already have water rescue capability that's used when people in boats find themselves in trouble. And in the context of rescue, an airplane that crashes into the water is effectively a boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elaw View Post
    ***Most civilized[Bolded by 3BS] countries already have water rescue capability...***
    Indeed.

    However, Evan states in very black and white terms that the area had no water rescue at all whatsoever, and suggested a full fleet of high-speed rescue boats with a range of 300 miles, helicopters, deep-water submarines and a few hundred, well-trained water rescue individuals with deep-water nitrox diving equipment and decompression chambers and all...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3JyEBM9ovk (See footnote)

    If there really is no rescue in this uncivilized area, I think the airport or airline should step up to the plate and buy the Jon Boat...I guess they could loan it out for "normal" operations, but then you risk the non-aviational authorities not having the same attention to procedure and letting the gas tank get low, or not maintaining the engine, yada yada…


    Footnote: AMAZING relevance as the youtube addresses flames out the tailpipe! (and even shows a rather relentless pull up)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3WE View Post
    Indeed.

    However, Evan states in very black and white terms that the area had no water rescue at all whatsoever, and suggested a full fleet of high-speed rescue boats with a range of 300 miles, helicopters, deep-water submarines and a few hundred, well-trained water rescue individuals with deep-water nitrox diving equipment and decompression chambers and all...
    You forgot side-scanning sonar and UAV's

    Quote Originally Posted by 3WE
    If there really is no rescue in this uncivilized area.
    There is no such thing as an 'uncivilized' ILS-equipped commercial transport-category airport. But in this case the airport is located near the main port for the island nation, capable of serving the large ships that bring in supplies and the local fishing industry. Certainly some of these vessels and their crews could be trained and outfitted as a rapid contingency response. Certainly such a response could retrieve survivors within an hour or two rather than half a day later. Oh, but I was asking for a fleet of destroyers wasn't I...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    There is no such thing as an 'uncivilized' ILS-equipped commercial transport-category airport.
    Noted- but conversely, you apparently have a beachfront, commercial, transport-category airport without so much as a jon boat- not on the premises nor an agreement to borrow anything from the local port.

    To be fully certified as "civilized" I'd think you want something between "nothing" and "side-scanning destroyer fleets"...

    Just sayin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3WE View Post
    Noted- but conversely, you apparently have a commercial, transport-category airport without so much as a jon boat.

    To be fully certified as "civilized" I'd think you want something between "nothing" and side-scanning destroyer fleets...

    Just sayin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Hello...
    For the record, I have never seen your original comments. Link perhaps?

    ALT, using exaggeration, indicates that they were rather overstated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3WE View Post
    For the record, I have never seen your original comments. Link perhaps?

    ALT, using exaggeration, indicates that they were rather overstated.
    Originally I had DEMANDED at least two naval destroyers positioned at all times within 500 miles of any airport larger than 100m in length, able to respond within 30 minutes (either via many such destroyers or destroyers capable of speeds in the hundred of knots). However, he talked me down from there to only requiring either a contigency plan using existing vessels and crews or a couple of rigid inflatables on trailers crewed by the existing emergency services team (or ideally both). I seem to remember that this was still considered ridiculous.

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    With a sufficient increase in budget, maybe they could deploy some of these: https://duckycity.com/products/rubber-ems-duck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Originally I had DEMANDED at least two naval destroyers positioned at all times within 500 miles of any airport larger than 100m in length, able to respond within 30 minutes (either via many such destroyers or destroyers capable of speeds in the hundred of knots).
    Ummm….okay...[snarcasm suspected]

    Quote Originally Posted by Evan
    However, he talked me down from there to only requiring either a contigency plan using existing vessels and crews or a couple of rigid inflatables on trailers crewed by the existing emergency services team (or ideally both). I seem to remember that this was still considered ridiculous.
    Ummm….OK...Writing specific requirements is a little bit pushy, especially if most facilities to have some sort of plan and equipment- even though you apparently identified one without said plans and equipment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elaw
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    Stop being silly...the Airport 77 YouTube is clear that those rescue capabilities are real! [/color=blue]
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3WE View Post
    Ummm….OK...Writing specific requirements is a little bit pushy, especially if most facilities to have some sort of plan and equipment- even though you apparently identified one without said plans and equipment.
    I wouldn't actually be writing the requirements because I, the speaker, am not qualified to write regulations, however, I would expect those who are qualified to write regulations would specify (x) number of watercraft meeting (x) specifications and carrying (x) equipment, crewed by a crew meeting (x) training requirement with the ability to dispatch in the water in the shortest time possible, not longer than (x) minutes after an emergency call. So it could be inflatable or conventional-hulled or Baboo's fishing trawler as long as it meets those specifications. There would also have to be a recurrent training requirement, similar to whatever the requirements are for airport emergency services. The regulations would also require that it be better than having nothing at all.

    Pushy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Pushy?
    Indeed:

    "There would also have to be a recurrent training requirement"

    I would agree that it would be good if the rescuers could swim themselves.
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