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    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7472394

    This photo was rejected and while I understand the over processed part, I am completely dumbfounded about the night shot part. This photo was taken shortly after 7:00 pm and in early July here, the sun doesn't set for almost another two hours. Furthermore, my friend, who was standing about two feet away from me, got his photo of the aircraft accepted on the first try. Here is his accepted photo: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9378006

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    Amagi

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    Quote Originally Posted by amagi_driver View Post
    https://www.jetphotos.com/viewqueued_b.php?id=7472394

    This photo was rejected and while I understand the over processed part, I am completely dumbfounded about the night shot part. This photo was taken shortly after 7:00 pm and in early July here, the sun doesn't set for almost another two hours. Furthermore, my friend, who was standing about two feet away from me, got his photo of the aircraft accepted on the first try. Here is his accepted photo: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9378006

    Thanks for the help,

    Amagi
    Did you read the message left by the screener who handled the appeal?

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    Yes I did. The sun was not low in the sky whatsoever. It just doesn't make sense to me why my friend's photo was accepted without night shot yet it was a problem for mine and they were taken at the exact same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amagi_driver View Post
    Yes I did. The sun was not low in the sky whatsoever. It just doesn't make sense to me why my friend's photo was accepted without night shot yet it was a problem for mine and they were taken at the exact same time.
    It might help if you realized we correct categories if nothing else is wrong, as I suppose is what happened to your friend's. We would have corrected yours as well, had there been no other issues, so arguing about something subjective like the height of the sun is kind of pointless.

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    I feel like I need to chime in here...

    FWIW the photo he is referring to (mine linked in the second paragraph)... I never ticked off the night shot category (for obvious reasons) and no screener left a comment or notified me of any change regarding the category once the photo was accepted. So unless I was never made aware, my image was not changed and didn't qualify as a night shot... but somehow this was?

    Here is the rule itself:

    Night Shots
    This category should apply for photos taken at dawn, dusk and night. For Dusk and Dawn photos these should show a red-orange glow and long shadows. Dusk or dawn shots where the aircraft is a silhouette in front of a rising or setting sun would be a time where backlit photos are acceptable and Night Shot would apply.


    My personal opinion is that the name of the category either needs changed or the stipulations need to me modified. Lumping in dusk and dawn with "night" creates a lack of consistency and unnecessary confusion amongst photographers. Rename the category "dusk/dawn/night", split everything into three new ones, or make the stipulations better fall in line with the name itself.

    Regarding the two shots, color cast looks different. However that is likely from different workflows or different camera settings. Outside of that, I fail to see a difference between each. The jpeg compression on his is an easy fix.

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    Just focus on the grass and see the loss of details on the rejected shot compared to the accepted one. Once again, it was all well explained to you by the screener who dealt with your appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runway28L View Post
    I feel like I need to chime in here...

    FWIW the photo he is referring to (mine linked in the second paragraph)... I never ticked off the night shot category (for obvious reasons) and no screener left a comment or notified me of any change regarding the category once the photo was accepted. So unless I was never made aware, my image was not changed and didn't qualify as a night shot... but somehow this was?

    Here is the rule itself:

    Night Shots
    This category should apply for photos taken at dawn, dusk and night. For Dusk and Dawn photos these should show a red-orange glow and long shadows. Dusk or dawn shots where the aircraft is a silhouette in front of a rising or setting sun would be a time where backlit photos are acceptable and Night Shot would apply.


    My personal opinion is that the name of the category either needs changed or the stipulations need to me modified. Lumping in dusk and dawn with "night" creates a lack of consistency and unnecessary confusion amongst photographers. Rename the category "dusk/dawn/night", split everything into three new ones, or make the stipulations better fall in line with the name itself.

    Regarding the two shots, color cast looks different. However that is likely from different workflows or different camera settings. Outside of that, I fail to see a difference between each. The jpeg compression on his is an easy fix.
    I think you missed the point. As I said, we will always correct a missing/wrong night shot category, so just make your best guess as to whether it's a night shot or not, and leave it at that. An image should never be rejected solely for wrong/missing categories, so it's pointless to get worked up about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlowwa View Post
    I think you missed the point. As I said, we will always correct a missing/wrong night shot category, so just make your best guess as to whether it's a night shot or not, and leave it at that. An image should never be rejected solely for wrong/missing categories, so it's pointless to get worked up about it.
    I do not believe I "missed" any point. What I was pointing out is that this is a prime example of how inconsistent subjectivity towards the night shot category is sometimes. However, that's just my personal opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runway28L View Post
    I do not believe I "missed" any point. What I was pointing out is that this is a prime example of how inconsistent subjectivity towards the night shot category is sometimes. However, that's just my personal opinion.
    Yes, it is quite subjective - which, as I pointed out, is rendered completely moot by the fact that we will correct it regardless. No need to point out that subjective things can be seen inconsistently. We know, and have made it so that it doesn't matter.

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