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    Default Al Haynes Dies at 87

    When he lost all hydraulics on a United DC-10 back in 1989, he still had 30 years ahead of him.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/27/u...ary/index.html

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    I met him once, a very modest individual, very generous to his fellow crew members from the fateful flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalcyonDays View Post
    I met him once, a very modest individual, very generous to his fellow crew members from the fateful flight.
    Where did you meet him?

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    Queue LH's diatribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoeingBobby View Post
    Queue LH's diatribe.
    Or Gabriel's diatribe...We never fully established if he knew ABOUT phugoid behavior, but was not familiar with the name, OR if he was not familiar with the name nor the behavior...
    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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    As I recall, the Cradle of Aviation museum on Long Island around 2002/3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3WE View Post
    Or Gabriel's diatribe...We never fully established if he knew ABOUT phugoid behavior, but was not familiar with the name, OR if he was not familiar with the name nor the behavior...
    You mean Captain Alfred Clair Haynes, 57, hired by United Airlines in 1956, 29,967 hours? You wonder if he was familiar with phugoid?

    United Flt 232 had a dream team in the cockpit and was one of the early examples of effective CRM under severe pressure.
    First Officer William Roy Records, 48, 20,000hrs
    Second Officer Dudley Joseph Dvorak, 51, 15,000 hours
    Training Check Airman Captain Dennis Edward Fitch, 46, 23,000 hours.

    AFAIK, Fitch was deadheading. Lucky thing too, because he was the kind of pilot who does his research and had taken interest in the findings from the JAL 123 crash and had practiced using differential thrust alone for flight control in the sim. That's what I mean by intiative. Fitch was the one working the thrust levers during the approach and landing.

    Every one of these guys deserves our admiration, but Haynes isn't just being humble when he says it was a team effort. It was also an astounding example of pilots keeping their heads in a largely hopeless situation.

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    So, u don’t think knowl rel phug bhvr is a prim DS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    You mean Captain Alfred Clair Haynes, 57, hired by United Airlines in 1956, 29,967 hours? You wonder if he was familiar with phugoid?
    Oh, Dear Christ, no, don't poke THAT bear, "we" won't hear the end of it for months!

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