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  • #91
    Originally posted by 3WE View Post
    If your diagram and comments are accurate, I'd comment that making an 'exact' 90 degree turn and an 'exact' 360 seems pretty un-coincidental. No clue what their intent might be, but not too hard to come up with speculation that they may have been 'in control' and maneuvering for some sort of 'preferred' landing spot.
    The diagram show only to top view. This was a spiral nose down and they lost 22.000 feet. The question is what caused the initial LEFT hard over ?

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    • #92
      Originally posted by vaztr View Post
      OMG the Egyptian authorities are acting as bad as the Indonesians...

      Greeks say plane made course adjustments - Egyptians deny this (Greeks, to their credit, don't say another word)
      Egyptian official says 'explosion likely' - another says too early to tell
      Now reports that the crew were in radio contact about smoke/fire on board from French news source (no data to back this up yet) - Egyptians denying this also

      All this too'ing and fro'ing shows a complete lack of professionalism from the Egyptian authorities - They would do as well if they followed all the speculation on this site - in fact I believe that some comments on this site are worth more than lots we have heard from the Egyptian authorities so far
      Everyone saying something ... why we are not waiting until collecting data .. get black box ... it is not correct to issue any informatiob without evedince ... till now we do not know why fly dubai 981 failed ...it takes time ... why egyptair 804 everyone is looking to get final report very fast... USA for egypt air that crashed in USA 1999 they said pilot killed himself ... it seems like old magic that cause all problems in the world ...
      we need to follow scientifice rules until we get the results ...

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      • #93
        Originally posted by mecheil.edwar View Post
        Everyone saying something ... why we are not waiting until collecting data .. get black box ... it is not correct to issue any informatiob without evedince ... till now we do not know why fly dubai 981 failed ...it takes time ... why egyptair 804 everyone is looking to get final report very fast... USA for egypt air that crashed in USA 1999 they said pilot killed himself ... it seems like old magic that cause all problems in the world ...
        we need to follow scientifice rules until we get the results ...
        We have a shred of evidence and we can speculate on that. The actual cause might not be known for a long time to come and if it has anything to do with correctable design or maintenance issues we really need to know that as soon as possible. That is why I am hoping to get at least a useful interim report released very fast (and thus the flight recorders retrieved without delay). In the meantime, we should be doing fleetwide inspections of avionics wiring and replacing any remaining MPET or AN26 thermal acoustic insulation in any commercial aircraft. We don't need to know what happened here to know that we need to do this. Beyond that, we should be pushing for retrofits of conventional CB's with the new generation of AFCB's.

        Back in 2008, US Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN), Chairman of the Science and Technology Committee, in a letter to FAA acting administrator Robert Sturgell, asked for these things to be mandated and expedited. Because back in 2008, the threat was well-known and the FAA was still dragging its feet on the issue.

        It is possible that the loss of Egyptair 804 is related to this deficiency, and we can be taking steps right now to deal with that, even if we never know what happened here.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Evan View Post
          We have a shred of evidence and we can speculate on that. The actual cause might not be known for a long time to come and if it has anything to do with correctable design or maintenance issues we really need to know that as soon as possible. That is why I am hoping to get at least a useful interim report released very fast (and thus the flight recorders retrieved without delay). In the meantime, we should be doing fleetwide inspections of avionics wiring and replacing any remaining MPET or AN26 thermal acoustic insulation in any commercial aircraft. We don't need to know what happened here to know that we need to do this. Beyond that, we should be pushing for retrofits of conventional CB's with the new generation of AFCB's.

          Back in 2008, US Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN), Chairman of the Science and Technology Committee, in a letter to FAA acting administrator Robert Sturgell, asked for these things to be mandated and expedited. Because back in 2008, the threat was well-known and the FAA was still dragging its feet on the issue.

          It is possible that the loss of Egyptair 804 is related to this deficiency, and we can be taking steps right now to deal with that, even if we never know what happened here.
          Indeed. We should be grounding aircraft and fixing things that may not be broken.
          Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by 3WE View Post
            Indeed. We should be grounding aircraft and fixing things that may not be broken.
            The flammability of MPET and AN-26 has been well-established. Limited AD's were issued. The inability of conventional CB's to detect transient arcing events is well-acknowledged in the industry and led to the development of AFCB's.

            We should be fixing what we know is dangerous. Fleetwide.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by mecheil.edwar View Post
              Everyone saying something ... why we are not waiting until collecting data .. get black box ... it is not correct to issue any informatiob without evedince ... till now we do not know why fly dubai 981 failed ...it takes time ... why egyptair 804 everyone is looking to get final report very fast... USA for egypt air that crashed in USA 1999 they said pilot killed himself ... it seems like old magic that cause all problems in the world ...
              we need to follow scientifice rules until we get the results ...
              This forum is made for speculations, thats why it is here. It may function as a game for special intersts but it is also read by officials and investigators to come across alternative thoughts and possible solutions seen from an outside angle.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Evan View Post
                The ability of conventional CB's to generate transient arcing events, heavy rain, hail, turbulence, wind shear and microbursts is well-acknowledged in the industry and led to the development of OBDWSDAS.
                Concur?
                Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                • #98
                  ....... and led to the development of OBDWSDAS.
                  Any chance of us thickos having that in English ?
                  If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by 3WE View Post
                    Concur?
                    And of course you would know what an AFCB is if you had actually read my previous post (#82) but that would be a crazy dream on this forum.

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                    • Originally posted by Evan View Post
                      And of course you would know what an AFCB is if you had actually read my previous post (#82) but that would be a crazy dream on this forum.
                      He is just playing with the double meaning of CB. Nice that "transient arcing" applies to both.

                      --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                      --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                      • Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
                        Any chance of us thickos having that in English ?
                        OBDWSDAS

                        Obviously: On Board Digital Wind Shear Detection and Avoidance System.

                        What else could it be?

                        --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                        --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                        • Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                          ...double meaning of CB...

                          ...Obviously: On Board Digital Wind Shear Detection and Avoidance System...
                          On-Board Doppler Wind Shear Detection and Avoidance System, but aside from said trivia and acronym orgies, I appreciate your insightfulness.
                          Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                          • Originally posted by Evan View Post
                            And of course you would know what an AFCB is...
                            Yes, ascending frontal CB's are much more organized than AHCBs.
                            Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                            • Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                              He is just playing with the double meaning of CB. Nice that "transient arcing" applies to both.
                              Aha. I'm a bit somatogravic tonight.

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                              • It's been several days since we bashed any media.

                                Headline: "Plane did send out distress call" "Distress signal from EgyptAir flight 804 confirmed by authorities in Cairo and US."

                                Critical Sentence: A posting on Egypt’s State Information Service website said investigators had “received satellite reports indicating receiving an electronic distress call from the plane’s emergency locator transmitter (ELT)”. The co-ordinates were being used to narrow down the search area, the statement said.



                                Distress...we have encountered a rainstorm so severe that it's just 100% water, beginning around 0 feet MSL....Distress...we have suffered some structural failures.
                                Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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