Nosedown approach

[QuocTrungTran]

Dear teams,
I recently came across several posts about "The downward flare" claimed to be a new landing technique.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fqRuSx-Qj1Q

From my observation here in Jetphotos, screener's opinion is that nosedown approach is abnormal. I also see many unlevel horizon rejections coming from this reason.
As you can see from the video, camera angle pretty much levels with the horizon.

May I ask if this leaves any implication for future screening? Is it just something exceptional that is only worth a laugh or a factor that can be considered when an unsual nosedown approach is posted?

Thank you so much for your time.

[rui cardoso]

It may not have a common technique, but at the Madeira airport it is widely used.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t1i8IUndUJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrEaCnmXTG8

[787Dream]

It may not have a common technique, but at the Madeira airport it is widely used.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t1i8IUndUJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrEaCnmXTG8

It does not nose dive (pitch < 0) on flare, which is totally different from the video posted in #1. I cannot say whether video in #1 is safe flight demonstration but that nosedive flare is pretty abnormal.

I totally support that on approach the airplane may pitch down due to gusts. But I would find it visually weird (if you are aiming towards the sky) if aircraft is nose down on approach (if it is not angled the way shown in video)

[hongmng]

When it's gusty, we add an additive to the approach speeds (in our case, half the headwind component plus the entire gust factor) up to 20kts. This can make a normal approach speed of 135 go to 155, that coupled with stall protection ice speeds (once the E-Jet flies through icing conditions, the "ice speeds" stay throughout the flight no matter how long/warm it's been) will add another few knots to the approach speed. All of these can result in approach speeds fast enough the nose is pitched down during approach even though the actual flight path still at a 3 degree angle. You are still supposed to cross the runway threshold at Vref (the speed before all this gust factor is added) though and touchdown at a normal pitch up angle.

[brianw999]

Dear teams,
I recently came across several posts about "The downward flare" claimed to be a new landing technique.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fqRuSx-Qj1Q

From my observation here in Jetphotos, screener's opinion is that nosedown approach is abnormal. I also see many unlevel horizon rejections coming from this reason.
As you can see from the video, camera angle pretty much levels with the horizon.

May I ask if this leaves any implication for future screening? Is it just something exceptional that is only worth a laugh or a factor that can be considered when an unsual nosedown approach is posted?

Thank you so much for your time.

It is true that this video shows a nose low approach but at the point of touchdown it is a 3 point landing i.e main gears and nose gear touch down at the same time.