UAL Strike Rehtoric Rising

[rsmith6621a]

http://www.iam141.org/ual.htm#5.16.05d

Snip.......While we still hope to reach an agreement with the company, Local Lodge Strike Committees should be prepared to have the membership immediately walk off the job and onto picket lines if the judge rules against us on United's motion to terminate our collective bargaining agreements......end

Is this the beginning of the END for UAL. A strike is the last thing that UAL needs they will have to do a lot of new hire training before they are able to fly again, Im afraid that would be the final curtian as PAX confidence will all be gone.

Tilton needs to RESIGN.....NOW!!!!

[pbateson]

Noo!!! I am going to fly UAL from SEA-DEN, HKG-NRT, and NRT-SEA.

[JeffinDEN]

Thank the union, then let 'em fold.

Frontier will love moving to concourse B.

[rsmith6621a]

Thank the union, then let 'em fold.

Frontier will love moving to concourse B.

Jeff Lets Not Forget to BLAME Where it is DUE as well......Management!!!! They certianly havent been flexible

[screaming_emu]

Thank the union, then let 'em fold.

Frontier will love moving to concourse B.

yeah, its the union's fault they dont have pensions anymore....wait

[chrisburns]

Thank the union, then let 'em fold.

Frontier will love moving to concourse B.

Another brilliant post

[pbateson]

Thank the union, then let 'em fold.

Frontier will love moving to concourse B.

That is the worst post by person.

[tommyalf]

Jeff Lets Not Forget to BLAME Where it is DUE as well......Management!!!! They certianly havent been flexible

The Management and the Unions at UAL both share the blame equally for destroying UAL. The unions were only worried about squeezing UAL for every dollar they could and the management, well we all know how they think, they created TED, what else can I say.

[ptbodale]

I agree with Tommyalf. It takes two to tango. There is so much navel gazing on both sides they forget to look after the Customer.

[JeffinDEN]

This is one of the few times I agree with Randy. Yes, management is a big player in this, as is their union. Unfortunately I think any change will be too little too late.

I still say let them fold, they didn't figure out how to play the game. Some one else will pick up the pieces and be competitive.


pbateson, chris.. ,.|..

[wannabepilot777]

As much as JeffinDEN grates at you like sandpaper, he has a point. The airlines would be doing much better without unions. That being said, it would be much harder to get employees to take pay cuts without a union. Also, airlines would be better off if the CEO's didn't make millions while they cut 400+ jobs to save $13 million per year. (one example)

[rsmith6621a]

[QUOTE=wannabepilot777] The airlines would be doing much better without unions. That being said, it would be much harder to get employees to take pay cuts without a union.

WRONG.....The company wouldnt have to worry about paycuts because there wouldnt be any pay to cut.

Also, airlines would be better off if the CEO's didn't make millions while they cut 400+ jobs to save $13 million per year. (one example)

How much did AS pay out in Executive bonuses last year??????....they could have saves some there to.

[UnitedFlyer]

Jeff Lets Not Forget to BLAME Where it is DUE as well......Management!!!! They certianly havent been flexible

It was mostly employees both times. UAL thought in the late 90s they could get away with fewer pilots and overtime; however, the pilots union started a work to rule and screwed United. I admit it was a management error, but it only really hurt the company because of the work to rule. Furthermore, this time, it is not United's management that is to blame (they have done some pretty impressive things with costs), but the unioins (only if they strike). Right now, everyone is doing a pretty good job, but if the unions at UAL strike, it will be their fault the airline went down - not the management's.

BTW, I know it sucks to have your pension scrapped and pay cut, but if the employees at UA don't allow for that, then they won't have a job and they also won't have a pension. If they don't like the cuts - quit.

[JeffinDEN]

BTW, I know it sucks to have your pension scrapped and pay cut, but if the employees at UA don't allow for that, then they won't have a job and they also won't have a pension. If they don't like the cuts - quit.

How true. Unfortunately, many people rely on their company for a pension. That is a bad move when you can do it yourself and make much more money. But, most people take the easy way, and then point their finger when someone else screws up on their behalf.

[screaming_emu]

It was mostly employees both times. UAL thought in the late 90s they could get away with fewer pilots and overtime; however, the pilots union started a work to rule and screwed United.

dude, pilots flying tired is a really bad thing, management really shouldn't try to stretch out times that they have to work cause if that happens you'll have more mishaps. Flyling is tiring even if its goin well. Right now jetblue is trying to convince the FAA to relax some of its duty day limitations so they can have pilots fly from the east coast to the west coast and back in one day, that's just too much.