Perhaps not APC (PIO) then.
Also this from the Narita final report:
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Fed Ex Flt 80 crash at Narita, for one. And the DC-10 crash at Newark, If I remember correctly. The MD-11, with it’s wonky stability augmentation system, was reputed to be challenging in the flare.
What about the gear retraction?...
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I just finally watched the video to the end. The second attempt gets into a float before gently touching down. Once bitten, I guess...
Or maybe concerned about the state of that gear.
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Generally, okay, I get you, but in this case that tire smoke doth tell us that the ground was especially angry that day and most likely went beyond bottoming out the oloes, potentially transferring some remaining smite to the airframe and giving it some rebounding upwards persuasion, no?
I'm also questioning the wisdom of retracting the gear in the go-around after a blow like that....
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Is it really that different from the DC-10 or MD-11, where PIO did contribute to hard landing write-offs?...
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This could be a form of what is called APC, Aircraft-Pilot-Coupling, which falls under the aegis of PIO, Pilot-Induced-Oscillation. Notice how the elevator goes sharply down for a moment after the first impact. But APC is generally a loop of varying amplitude oscillations rather than a single event....
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Several of the most jarring landings I've ever experienced were on Lufthansa A319/320's on short-haul. I've been told the company training policy is to plant their landings quite firmly. But that was by the moderately drunk German fellow survivor seated next to me,...
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I don't know. 3WE says airmanship is airmanship and 'type' is just a fancy acronym.
I haven't seen any actual statement from Lufthansa with the words "training flight" or "pilot-in-training". Seems a bit cooked up by the media house of mirrors.
Regarding the physics here, specifically the Newtonian third law thereof, would the large opposing force to the impact cause the bounce and that upward force being just aft of the center of gravity result in a downward pitching moment, or is that just a crazy conspiracy theory?...
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It’s fortunate that we have a Lufthansa 747 expert on the forum. I expect him to clear this up for us shortly....
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Or the pilot was unaware of the bounce and that is just midair derotation.
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That, I am willing to bet, is unintentional PIO (APC), after that slam dunk.
Pilot put his dentures back in, climbed back into the saddle, replaced his cowboy hat and did the go around....
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Superior German Cowboymanship
I mean, there are cowboys and then there are rodeo stars...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUHsWr-K3Fc
Late flare or windshear?
https://avherald.com/h?article=508e3745&opt=0...
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Perhaps, but I’m not so sure. How many collisions did that old phraseology actually cause? Tenerife wouldn’t have occurred if the pilots could have seen the other airplanes. For some time now, we’ve had precise geolocation technology and even a lowly passenger car has anti-collision features. On a contained airfield with coordinated operations, implementing a conflict warning system should be quite achievable for major airports. Yet, despite ever-increasing density, we are still finding that we are 100% dependent on human judgment and one human error and a patch of fog away from disaster. What am I missing?...
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The fact that Tenerife doesn't happen more often has less to do with lessons learned and more to do with better visibility.
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The technology is figured out. It's just a matter of tradition stepping aside (or retiring) to allow for it....
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bstolle, on this forum, to be taken seriously, you need to back things up with factual explanations that align with reality. If what you claim is true, than how does it happen? What is the mechanism of failure? Where does the problem originate? What is the cascading sequence of events? If it has been added to the sim, all of this must be known. And we like to throw in: how might it be fixed or avoided?
I have never heard of an event such as you are describing. I know the systems on the A320 series very well and I have no idea how it would happen to an airworthy, undamaged airplane. Nor have I seen any evidence that “it likes to throw new, previously unknown problems at you” at a frequency greater than any conventional airliner. And most pertinently, I don’t know of a single instance of flawed-by-design logic causing a fatality. The leading cause of A320 fatalities remains pilot error....
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