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i do need to add this tiny tidbit to the argument: you CANNOT compare healthcare and insurance in long-established social democracies where doctors make FAR FAR less than they do in the US and where healthcare facilities are owned by the government to the US where it is all exactly opposite.

apples to rocks.

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deductible is $6k for the whole family. thankfully, i havent had to meet the deductible, since we've been healthy. if i do have to one day, it would be amortized over all the years i've had coverage, so still far less.

i was uninsured for years and paid cash for doctor visits and testing. guess what? it was cheaper. sure, if something horrible had happened....but it didn't. negotiated rates are very often WAY higher than self-pay, especially for drugs....

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YOU ARE TRULY DELUSIONAL!

the friggin insurance companies wrote the damn law, which is why they are all silently extremely happy. dont blame the political parties for anything other than failing to actually be lawMAKERS.

a major part of the US population has lived on welfare for generations. does that bother you? it sure bothers me! welfare, HUD, foodstamps, medicaid...all for young healthy people that if it werent for the fact that they are lazy as f*ck, could be working and paying their own way.

as for you whacky argument about a working class earner, the poor slob would have 29,000 after taxes. he couldnt pay rent let alone health insurance. so get of your marxist horse.

i pay $24,000/year to cover my entire family. if i were paying 42% tax on my income i'd be broke, given the rest of my expenses. but i'm gonna end this argument here, cuz i learned a long time ago, you can never convince a socialist that socialism is, has been, and...

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it appears you dont know as much about health insurance and economies in general as you do about aviation. AHCA is a total failure in real life. the only group of people that don't absolutely hate it and have stayed quiet about it are insurance companies. why? their profits have effin soared!!!! a good idea in theory but what a giant clusterf###k it is.

prior to obama's baby being born and forced upon EVERYONE, even those that had insurance and were happy with it (like me), i enjoyed a fantastic Aetna POS plan with a whopping $2,000/year deductible and maybe a $25 co-pay for specialists. that plan, nor anything even close to it, exists today at any price. why? cause AHCA doesnt require it to.

now, back to your lame-ass argument.

well, let's see. germany's income tax rates are:
62,810 - 277,825 euros: 42%
More than 277,826 euros: 45%


not sure what "northern Europe" is in your brain, but let's sample...

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for a smart guy, that's a really stupid argument, gabe. very few countries with fully socialized (NOT free) medicine pull it off well. even the UK sucks most of the time.

dont get me wrong. i'm not a huge fan of the US system which rewards even shitty doctors with insanely inflated salaries and compensation, private health carriers that charge nearly $3000/month for a small family and require a $20,000 deductible be met, 30% co-pay, and only 80% coverage for everything else even IN-PLAN. but all that aside, at least you get to see a doctor before you need the undertaker...

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evan, why dont you move to canada and tell us how you like it?

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meanwhile, in the vast tundra to our north where healthcare is 100% controlled by the govt and it is "free" it takes 1-2 weeks to see a GP, 6-8 months to see a specialist, advanced treatments are almost non-existent and everyone that has money heads to the US for treatment.

now, that's what i want in my life!

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wait. yu mean the same govt of which certain lawmakers were "furious" that the current administration said that medicare now had the ability to negotiate drug prices? yeah, i agree. govt shoud stay out of healthcare if it thinks negotiating prices is a bad thing.

what a bunch of douchebags. it is truly embarrassing to be an american sometimes....