Interesting little deicing story...

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Moderately interesting story here, and a few slices of swiss cheese...and maybe the slice that saved the day is sort of the wrong one...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/observant...140440911.html

Maybe some public physical punishment for the cockpit folks not checking this?

Note to Bobby: Do you think the firing of Boeing executives might be in order here, here, too?

One other tough question, would we, as passengers consider rushing the cockpit, to bang on the door and yell, "Dudes...there's a ton of snow on the wings!"?

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John Travolta sold the 707?

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Another case of engine failure: https://youtu.be/7TJPmkcPer8

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No.

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What are the odds that cowling stuff broke the blade vs the blade breaking the cowling?

That intake ring sure looks pristine. The new owner better hide it before using it for a raised bed flower garden...officials may want to examine it.

PS: Disappointed at the new thread title....

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The dude with the ring in his yard needs to claim it as his property and do something cool with it...flower bed or maybe decoration around a chandelier in the dining room.

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Fortunately we will be shifting to battery powered planes in a few years.

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A friend of ATLCrew may know of several....

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We are screwed.

We better stick to motor coaches, but their cargo holds open outward too!

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Hyberbole much?

Stratosphere - Wikipedia...

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Hope this helps with your question. (Of note, is that we sometimes suspect Evan of living in a plastic bubble...oh the ironing)

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“Which you always shied away from due to the not_plug cargo door.”

Anyone else confused?...

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Ok...same stuff different avenue. It’s easy to sit on your a$$ and criticize...

That being said, the DC-10 door was a ‘sophisticated’ cam thingie...that failed twice (Fact-but see footnote). I can imagine all sorts of UNSOPHISTICATED gross pins and bars that might be more reliable (or maybe not more reliable).

Footnote: There were rampie contributions to the door failure.

Here we have a 757 door that failed twice...

Of course MCAS is a bit more juicy...internal debate, NOT really mentioning it...a redundancy shortage...

Anyway, “Gee, I know they have safety backups, but I can imagine that screwing up...”

Makes for discussion...that is all.

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Interesting love-hate triangle.

I see Evan bashing engineers:



As irritating as Evan is, Engineering is done MORE at 0 kts and 0 ft AGL...and I thought there was a little disdain between pilots and engineers...

I guess I can be a little meaner to them than all the idiot cowboy pilots who deal with a lot more knots......

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Speculation:...

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I don’t think this is fair. I imagine they were flying fairly competently and doing meaningful things and using the autopilot and throttles appropriately.

What they weren’t doing was 1) a routine instrument scan for power and speed discrepancies and then 2) a quick enough recovery.

TeeVee and I feel they should have been able to recover- no good excuses.

Don’t want to put words in Gabriel’s mouth, but he’s more sympathetic that maybe it all happened too fast......

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Straw man, Evan.

ONE, 2” light corrective depression (or stomp- it doesn’t matter) will not down an A-300.

REPEATED LIGHT ALTERNATING 2”‘depressions done exactly wrong, can.

If you are promptly banking through 45 degrees, a quick, firm correction is in order. (The dot is a period)

Thanks for playing....

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Oh my...do you propose “don’t touch anything, light a cigarette and analyze things”...

FWIW- I’m guessing that the memory checklist for an upset for a 737-800 calls for immediate firm corrective control inputs, but perhaps it’s different on the 737-536A....

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You have to consider that this person has never ridden a bicycle......

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Oh Gabriel???

One other thing- I rode a twin Cessna where the autopilot quit numerous times...

There was a little noise and the plane briefly bobbled.

Within one second, the pilots hand was on the yoke, and the attitude and airspeed were analyzed.

It was VMC on top and the engines were producing “identical” power, but this is why, like TeeVee, I would expect a NORMAL pilot to grab the yoke and stomp the pedals and be correcting airspeed at least by the time they hit a 90 degree bank...and get the FULLY FUNCTIONAL airplane at least moving TOWARDS healthy flight with a bunch of altitude to spare.

/TeeVee agree-fest

I know, I wasn’t there and riding a bicycle isn’t relevant in this case....