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[3WE]

1. WTF is a stabilization gate, and does it have relevance if you are doing a 6+ degree dive to the runway in an airliner?

2. Someone once said, “All the words matter”... I am ASS-uming SOMETHING BIG was wrong causing the pilots to violate a lot of stuff you normally don’t do.

3. Thanks for declaring things academic...sitting behind a computer at 0 AGL and zero knots is a good time to be academic.

I concur, like so many crashes, the unusualness of this one feels incomprehensible...

Then again, when you think about it, airliner crashes are often kind of “incomprehensible”....

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This is the most important post at this point...Speculation: something BIG is wrong and be-dammed, we’re landing this thing even though we’re 250% high AND past a normal touchdown point...

Swiss cheese, a little tunnel vision, scare factor and acronym checklist overload, and (as it climaxes) one big bad decision: Go Around...

As ATL stated previously, discussions somewhat before ‘final approach’ probably hold key information.

PS: I can envision a fuel shortage version of this....

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Yes, Schwartz, I watched the video. There WAS a plane to the right, that was taking off and probably going to be climbing.

When you watched the video from one mile behind, did you consider that the other plane may very likely have been out of view of the pilot, blocked by the wing.

Yes, WE can see that he had vertical separation for a right turn, but I’m guessing that procedure (and common sense of not turning towards an airplane that you HOPE you are above, but can’t see) might USUALLY be the better choice- even if not this time.

As to why he stalled/spun...my $ is on a mechanical problem or unfortunate distraction/rapid speed decay, as you say....

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The photograph would tend to lend credibility...

Perhaps you mean "shocking" that there would be a go-around after a wheels-up landing......

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Maybe because there was an airplane to his right?

Pretend I gave you a ban-worthy, expletive-laden flame for sitting on your rear at 0 ft AGL and zero knots and second guessing a pilot who was facing a situation that WE know very little about.

Edit- Perhaps you are referring to him being BANKED steeply and rolling back to level...but I will still razz you for a bit too much arm-chair analysis.

The one thing I will give you (stated earlier) is: Speed decay much more rapid than he was used to + distraction due to the problem = inadvertent spin...

Perhaps he was quite a way into the spin + reaction time left him in a situation to recover where he did after a "full rotation"......

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It's plausible that he was distracted with the problem and the plane lost speed "much faster than he ever imagined" since folks almost never deal with truly zero thrust.

It's plausible that there was a control problem ALONG WITH the suggested engine problem.

A deliberate stall as a method to address the problem/quickly return to the airport...very unplausible...to me, at least.

Edit: I do not think we have ruled out a meteor strike either....

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Plausible because pilots who are a hell of a lot better trained and smarter than you rarely take an engine-out plane up into a sharp pull up all the way to a spin. (No I didn't say never because WE certainly beat the exceptions to death).

I will not speak for ATL but I will give the pilot the benefit of doubt until there is evidence otherwise.

You are becoming Evan whom defaults to 'stupid cowboy improvisational monkey pilot most likely screwed up.

I would think they had a $hit pot of energy to do a Bob Hoover WITHOUT the two loops and a roll and land, and the skills to execute it.


Please note that "we" was not italicized in your original post, and try to avoid similar future mistakes. Thanks in advance.

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Said it before- NOT using something can sometimes cause more "wear and tear" than using it.

The question is valid, but the general disdain that the industry is going to be stupid improvisational cowboy monkeys about it...

Bottom line: No major disconcurment....

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Or we MIGHT catch Coronavirus where there's between 0.5 and 5% risk of death.

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You think he was after flying fish? Or was he fly fishing?...

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It rains more in Kansas City than the Aridzona desert- thus more birds, bugs, fungi, rust, and even weed growth in any dirt that gathers between control surface gaps on wing surfaces. Oh the ironing, I could live my dream on the wings of Bobby's- N, P and K needed, but no need for supplemental aluminum.

https://www.airlinereporter.com/2020...plane-storage/...

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Oh come on- it’s basically word for word...I’m sure it’s not exactly right, but use a little imagination......

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I am thinking about riding my bike in the near future, but I fear that I could be hit by a meteor....

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I'm not worried about the aeroplanie crapping out, but the smell of fried mouse, mouse hair, mouse pee and mouse poop (maybe bird and insect nests too) from the AC system might make me want to kill my self...Maybe they can toss some fresh-scent bounce drier sheets into the front of the jet engine intakes before each flight?

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It does matter. Different aircraft types will have differing procedures......

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Google translate.

Gabriel doesn’t like it.

He prefers:...

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I read an internet article that said there are procedures.

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Hopefully your are a much better pilot, having read this important advice. Or at least better for the mild entertainment....

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Indeed. They should be fired and sent back to the regionals or puppy mill instruction.

Edit: I believe the response above is wrong. The better response:

Indeed. They should have pulled up relentlessly.

Apologies for the mistake....

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And the nice close view of the ocean would not have happened....