Yemeni Airliner Down in Comoros (Indian Ocean)

[Evan]

The photo shows that there aren't any approach lights, however a PAPI could well be further down the runway than the picture shows. I'm just going off one of the charts that seems to say there is no PAPI for 20, but the charts aren't in the format I'm used to, and with my French being rather poor I can't be sure.

I think we are both looking at the plate I just posted of the runway instrument layout. I also searched along the runway in Google Earth.

I'm sorry if my first post seemed like it was jumping all over you... I'm not trying to do that. I know your posts are well thought out and reasoned.

No, I didn't take it that way. That wasn't specifically directed at you. Sometimes you stick your neck out on speculation here and get chastised by the more reserved among us. Sorry if it came off as accusative.

[bobdxb]

Bob, that link is for EGWPS. As far as I know, standard GWPS cannot determine altitude without RA input. Am I wrong?

I don't mean to give RA excessive focus. I just want to get my facts straight.

Sorry my mistake, it is here more about inputs and function of GPWS

Also I would add to what we have discussed before....

1. Don't mix precision and non-precision app, we use different instruments in the cockpit as primary and secondary instruments

2. There is no prof pilot in the world (I believe so) who will trade his Vref speed against runway exit point...specially in adverse Wx. You do exit rwy on busy apt at allocated exit point when requested by ATC otherwise don't push yourself to the limits just coz u don't want to make backtracking, keep focused on the primary goals (safety and comfort also - you will not use max braking also just to catch yr nearest exit - pax will feel it)

rgds, bob

[Evan]

Sorry my mistake, it is here more about inputs and function of GPWS

Thanks. I see the role of the ADC for altitude data.

BTW: I have had many a landing on intercity flights that ended with a bow to seat in front of me - hard braking to make a turn-off. A few tire squealers as well. All's well that ends well.

[bobdxb]

Thanks. I see the role of the ADC for altitude data.

BTW: I have had many a landing on intercity flights that ended with a bow to seat in front of me - hard braking to make a turn-off. A few tire squealers as well. All's well that ends well.

Ok, as I said before; most of large operators including flag carriers place comfort of the pax right behind safety.

my ex airline rules:
- taxi speed not above limits and slow in turns, so ppl in the1st class will not spill drinks
- don't jump on brakes unneccessary
- rate of cabin climb/descent max 500 ft/min unless required for operational reasons
- etc....

[Evan]

Ok, as I said before; most of large operators including flag carriers place comfort of the pax right behind safety.

my ex airline rules:
- taxi speed not above limits and slow in turns, so ppl in the1st class will not spill drinks
- don't jump on brakes unneccessary
- rate of cabin climb/descent max 500 ft/min unless required for operational reasons
- etc....

That must be long-haul decorum. I'm talking about 73's and 320's, major carriers doing intercontinental multi-cycle shifts. I had a flight once, Lufthansa A319, Frankfurt to Prague, about 45 min. flight time. They were coming in hot, the speedbrakes were at 30-45° for nearly a minute on approach, landed HARD (people gasped!) and veered off the runway onto a taxi lane at probably 30mph. I imagine these flights are piloted by ex-carrier pilots who forget the tailhook is not available. The pilot was standing in the doorway when we deplaned. I gave him an evil look.

And then there's Chicago Midway...

[Evan]

Now Aviation Week is saying go-around:

July 5th - Yemenia Flight IY626 went down on approach to the Comoros' Moroni Airport at 1:51 a.m. local time while making its second landing attempt.

So underreported, this one. I have yet to see an official statement on what is known.

[Spad13]

I had a flight once, Lufthansa A319, Frankfurt to Prague, about 45 min. flight time. They were coming in hot, the speedbrakes were at 30-45° for nearly a minute on approach, landed HARD (people gasped!) and veered off the runway onto a taxi lane at probably 30mph. I imagine these flights are piloted by ex-carrier pilots who forget the tailhook is not available.

When did Germany ever have carriers?

[Evan]

When did Germany ever have carriers?

Graf Zeppelin, never launched, probably sold to Lufthansa for pilot training.

[WhiteKnuckles]

When did Germany ever have carriers?

Even now Germany's navy has no carriers? Or can it really be Germany has no navy? In any case, there's no need for a Lufthansa pilot to be German, right?

[WhiteKnuckles]

After all this speculation, I wonder if the final answer (from voice and data recorders) has any chance of being a complete surprise.

[SYDCBRWOD]

Even now Germany's navy has no carriers? Or can it really be Germany has no navy? In any case, there's no need for a Lufthansa pilot to be German, right?

Correct, incorrect, correct.

[WhiteKnuckles]

Correct, incorrect, correct.

Hmmmmmmmmm. Pithy. Let me guess. A navy without carriers. But Lufthansa's pilot could be any nationality. Am I getting it?

[Haendli]

German Airforce and Navy

For landing on an Carrier you dont need to own one.
(German Navy Pilots did train to land on carriers owned by America and France)

Greets Haendli

[bobdxb]

It looks like we are losing interest in what this discussion is about, hopefully there will be some news about boxes soon...

Yesterday I have done two flights as pax; dxb-bkk-kkc, first leg A380-800 and second leg on A300-600R (my favourite for many years) and still like it regardless of all the trouble created by recent accidents....

[SYDCBRWOD]

Hmmmmmmmmm. Pithy.

Or succinct. The questions you ask are very easily googleable.

Let me guess. A navy without carriers. But Lufthansa's pilot could be any nationality. Am I getting it?

Yep.