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Originally posted by EconomyClass View PostSomewhere I read even big planes can coast into an airport. Not true? Of course, if the weather is less than ideal, you wouldn't want a glider pilot. And with the ferocious level of commercial air traffic today, the law of averages assures many will land in suboptimal weather. Which might mean a traveler should be concerned about what weather his plane will have for the landing. Was that a factor in the Colgan crash?
I believe the Colgan air fiasco had more to do with overworked pilots who were probably exhausted and not thinking as clearly and sharply as they could've been. Isn't Colgan a regional carrier? From what i understand, Regional pilots get treated like shit and are forced to work hellacious hours to make ends meet. Anybody who actually has some real knowledge or hard facts on any of the above, please feel free to rip this post apart.
On a side note, if you're really that concerned, you should check out SOAR's fear of flying program. I did the program and I feel a million times better about being in the air. I backed out of a trip not to long ago, did the program and then flew from DFW to MBJ on June 28th with AA. I had a lot of fun to be honest and even got some great pics out the window believ it or not. The cool thing about the SOAR program is that you can actually call Tom Bunn anytime and talk to him and he's happy to answer your questions. I called him from the damn terminal at the airport because I was having second thoughts and he was happy to speak to me. Check it out, for real. The fact is that fear of flying is not a technical issue, its a psychological issue. The technical aspects of flying and the stats prove flying is incredibly safe. Deal with the psychological aspects of yourself, don't focus on the planes or the pilots because the planes and pilots are just fine. It took doing a program for me to realize that. Some people may laugh at me for paying for a fear of flying program and I'd say, fuck them. It worked for me and i'm back in the air with little to no anxiety at all. That's what it took for me and I'm comfortable with that.
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Originally posted by TX911 View PostAnd I thought I was a fearful flyer. Shit dude, have a couple of scotches and chill out.
Or something to that effect.
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Hi Curtis! I see reading and comprehension are still obstacles for you. I'm sorry to see that. Perhaps you could eat a good meal and gather the brain power necessary to read the rest of that post? And yes, from what I remember, you had a couple of freudian slips involving mastubatory fantasization about flying anxiety weaved into your rambling, blithering, non-sequitor web of bullshit last time. I see things aren't exactly looking up in the academia department yet? Keep trying little guy, one day you'll be able to string together more than two comprehensible sentences that don't involve you jerking off in your mom's basement. Oh and I got some wonderful pics from 35000ft on my way to beautiful Montego Bay. I'm sure we'll get some more on our way to Providenciales in December as well! I'd be happy to show them to you if you'd like to see! Just, no mastubatory fantasization ok bucko? Its not that kind of party.
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Maybe these facts will put your mind at rest....
I have been a paramedic for 30 years. I have always worked within callout range of at least two major international airports.
I have never been to an aviation incident, never mind one involving fatalities and neither have any of my colleagues.
I have, however lost count of the number of fatal road accidents that I have attended. Most of my colleagues have similarly lost count.
Conclusion ? You don't need a red cape and red pants worn outside your trousers to figure out which form of transport is most likely to kill you !!!If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !
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Originally posted by brianw999 View PostI have never been to an aviation incident, never mind one involving fatalities and neither have any of my colleagues.
I have, however lost count of the number of fatal road accidents that I have attended. Most of my colleagues have similarly lost count.
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Sure- landing is more dangerous.
If during takeoff, you briefly ascend too fast, there's nothing to hit. If you briefly descend too fast, the concrete is moderately hard.
During severe IMC you begin ON the runway and aim AWAY from it- so what if you lose sight at liftoff?
During severe storms- you are going down a 3-degree glideslope and slowing the plane- you are low for a good long while. Departing- you typically climb like a bat out of hell.
During landing, the gas tanks almost always more empty than when you took off.
You must aim for a small patch of concrete- versus most other flight modes where you just have to dodge other airplanes.
In a crosswind- you can depart by holding the plane on the ground and then jerking it off with somewhat less influence from the wind. Landing- you are much more at the mercy of the wind and must make the plane alight nicely with a very fixed slab of concrete.
There's more, but hopefully this illustrates that landing has some unique risks (albeit pretty darn small ones!).Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostSure- landing is more dangerous.
If during takeoff, you briefly ascend too fast, there's nothing to hit. If you briefly descend too fast, the concrete is moderately hard.
During severe IMC you begin ON the runway and aim AWAY from it- so what if you lose sight at liftoff?
During severe storms- you are going down a 3-degree glideslope and slowing the plane- you are low for a good long while. Departing- you typically climb like a bat out of hell.
During landing, the gas tanks almost always more empty than when you took off.
You must aim for a small patch of concrete- versus most other flight modes where you just have to dodge other airplanes.
In a crosswind- you can depart by holding the plane on the ground and then jerking it off with somewhat less influence from the wind. Landing- you are much more at the mercy of the wind and must make the plane alight nicely with a very fixed slab of concrete.
There's more, but hopefully this illustrates that landing has some unique risks (albeit pretty darn small ones!).
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Originally posted by bob12312357 View Post...Theres no point. I really don't understand the Op's question...Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by SYDCBRWOD View PostOn landing a plane is in a very low energy state (in some ways you could liken it to riding a bicycle - the slower you go the more difficult it is to remain upright) - it is essentially transitioning from flying to 'driving'.
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