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Originally posted by ErwinS View PostIf you search on the net on runway/taxiway excursions you'll see they are fairly common.
The video shows an aircraft speeding fast so that's why it seems that there was no proper braking action. So no wheel braking action al least. It was an empty a/c and light so with reverser action she should be stopped without a problem, even without wheel brakes.
In short, there are lots of possibilities why this overrun happened. A slowing system(s) failure is only one of them.
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Originally posted by TheKiecker View Post
"The plane touched down in the proper landing"
Given the photo showing the plane still quite high over a fixed-distance marking, I highly doubt it.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostYes, overruns are fairly common worldwide. But three in less than two months within a fleet of just 8 aircraft seems to be very significantly above the average. I have no hard numbers regarding the average, but 3 every 2 month every 8 airplanes looks that it would mean hundreds of overruns per day worldwide, and I don't think that we are anywhere close to that.
Originally posted by Gabriel View PostLot of BS (read, wild and unfounded speculation). Example:
"The plane touched down in the proper landing"
Given the photo showing the plane still quite high over a fixed-distance marking, I highly doubt it.
Let's say she landed 400 meters further than the normal toucdown point. Then she still had more than 2km to come to a stop. More than enough. VKO'runways are both +- 3KM long.
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Originally posted by brianw999 View PostThat's what I like ......a balanced, reasoned analysis of the incident !
Good job you don't work for the Accident Investigators.
This is tragic, but remember how many accidents Western-made planes have had. The DC-10 had plenty of tragic accidents and is beloved by many as an awesome airplane.
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Originally posted by ErwinS View PostTrue above average but coincidental. I think you would agree that planes at most airports don't land on snowy undergrounds like they do in Russia.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostI'm sorry but I'm not buying this. I don't think there are anywhere near 3 overruns every two months every 8 airplanes say in Alaska, Canada, Greenland and Iceland in winter.
It didn't happen every two months. Only now it did. Rnw's in the above mentioned regions are way beter prepared/maintaned for winter conditions.
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Originally posted by ErwinS View PostIt didn't happen every two months. Only now it did. Rnw's in the above mentioned regions are way beter prepared/maintaned for winter conditions.
I don't know what will be found. The trend could have been just random chance in the form of bad luck. But I doubt it.
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Originally posted by TheKiecker View PostNo need to get your boxers in a bunch.
Most of that was quoted from people with the airline and Investigators. So Id say they might know a bit more than you.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostOk, now we are starting to get some systemic connections between these accidents. Same airline, same airplane type, same poorer runway keeping.
I don't know what will be found. The trend could have been just random chance in the form of bad luck. But I doubt it.
But on the other hand, SVX, OVB & VKO (where the TU-204 has experienced overuns) are some of the busiest Airports in Russia. Only SVO, DME & LED would have much more traffic. Several International Airlines, along with a lot of Russian/CIS Airlines, fly to these Ports so if there were issues with runway keeping I would expect they would have been addressed.
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On Dec 31st 2012 the MAK reported that the runway had been inspected and cleaned 80 minutes prior to the accident. A measurement of the runway friction coefficients 15 minutes after the accident with calibrated equipment determined a value of 0.63 suitable for landing of the aircraft.
Rosaviatsia released a modification to aircraft operations manual requiring flight crew to apply reverse thrust only if the engine is operating (stating application of reverse thrust is prohibited on a malfunctioning engine). To apply reverse thrust the engine should be pulled to idle for 1-2 seconds, then command reverse thrust at minimum thrust, verify yellow "thrust reverser unlocked" followed by green "REV" indications appear, only then apply high reverse thrust. Rosaviatsia reported there have been a number of cases where the green "REV" indication did not appear (editorial note: there have been rumours since the Dec 20th overrun, that the crew had applied reverse thrust, the reverser however had not opened and at least one of the engine was delivering full forward thrust instead).
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Originally posted by tsv View PostDo you have a source for the "poorer runway keeping" allegation?
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