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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostThe CVR also has something in the lines of "we don't see a shit" seconds before the crash. And it has no strange engine sounds. And no engines anomalities were recorded in the FDR.
Oh sorry, I forgot allt hose were tampered with.
You are a liar and I'm a stupid that falls in your lies over and over.
I don't use names in this forum. I don't call people clowns, trolls, liars or the likes. It is just a matter of basic respect. As much as I wanted to stay within the technical aspects of this crash, I was provoked to broaden the discussion for a while. But that led to nowhere for you are dealing with opinions and prejudices, and these are always subjective.
As to the functioning of the engines, the Russians stated that they were working ok, but there is the gray zone where there is no data, and the N2 values are nowhere in the report. So this is not as clear as it appears to be.
Again, if you want me to limit the discussion to the flight issues only, before the plane hit the ground, say so clearly. Otherwise don't call me a liar.
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And if this was a clear and sunny CAVU day what would have happened?
Nothing.
Oh, where is the fog machine? Do not bring the history of 1939 into this. As an American Pole I learned that stuff in 1955 so it was hardly secret.
But, I learned as an investigator that someone will always plant a statement of fact and truth to make your head nod "yes" and the second statement then by default is true?
No way! Go play "Junior Sleuth" with someone else.
Mods ... As a Polish American I am becoming offended. Please close this thread.Live, from a grassy knoll somewhere near you.
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Originally posted by justLOT787 View PostLike I said and no one will ever convince me otherwise. This was not just a normal accident that happen all this was staged and planed by Tusk and Putin.
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Originally posted by Northwester View PostI don't use names in this forum. I don't call people clowns, trolls, liars or the likes. It is just a matter of basic respect.
--- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
--- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---
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Originally posted by Northwester View PostI don't use names in this forum. I don't call people clowns, trolls, liars or the likes. It is just a matter of basic respect. As much as I wanted to stay within the technical aspects of this crash, I was provoked to broaden the discussion for a while. But that led to nowhere...
Meanwhile, even the Polish authorities have accepted this and moved on. LOT is now in charge. This is one of the best cases of remediation I have seen following such a tragedy. I applaud the Polish government for coming clean and cleaning house. Now, can we end it?
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Originally posted by Northwester View PostBut the entertainment value of it is enormous.
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Originally posted by Evan View PostNo! 96 people died because of officious arrogance, blind ambition and disregard for the discipline of aviation. That's a tragedy, nothing more. There is no entertainment value in that, and it is not the place to invent any. Please stop.
Evan#1617:"Boring! Can we please get back to the secret Russian mind-control ray and KGB EMT death squad? That was much more entertaining and the obvious truth no longer has any value here. I don't want answers. I want more questions. Northwester, show us some more puzzling graphics."
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Originally posted by Northwester View PostAre you serious here?
Evan#1617:"Boring! Can we please get back to the secret Russian mind-control ray and KGB EMT death squad? That was much more entertaining and the obvious truth no longer has any value here. I don't want answers. I want more questions. Northwester, show us some more puzzling graphics."
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I generally don't comment, but sometimes a few things must be said as a reminder to some:
I once supported the plausibility of a question whether the ILS could be tampered with do make the crew think they are higher than they really are, like in Die Hard II. Off Course many people completely thrashed the mentioning of that.
One person's remark was that if one could make up ridiculous causes like that, he said he may as well come up with his own and that was for snakes, or something, to get loose, attacked the pilots, and the plane ended up landing short. Off course everyone thought that was cute. Yet a few months later a small plane crashed, presumably because small crocodiles, which a person tried to smuggle, escaped from the hand luggage. The subsequent panic on the plane caused the balance of the plane to not be maintainable anymore by the pilot, and the plane crashed.
So in all, the person making a claim that the ILS was tampered with, was as plausible as snakes (or crocodiles) causing the crash.
Who can forget the cover-up by 911 and the pentagon. To what lengths did authorities (governments) go then? I mean:
1) Where was the damage to the building from the wings?
2) Why was the hole so small?
3) Why did the plane hit the renovating part of the building?
4) How did the plane not knock over trees and lamps on its way to the building...it had to come in quite low?
5) Why was cameras confiscated
6) How many people said it was a plane, yet, when a small video was released, no plane could fit into the frames?
7) Not to mention the explosion caught on a still frame before one of the planes hit the buiding
and how did building 7 implode when it was not hit by a plane?
9) How did the military failed four times to protect its air-space?
9) and so on and so on...
So, when a person makes a suggestion, like "This president was taken out for preventing serious vaccinations bills be passed", which was a theory I heard once, why not? Have you not seen worse things around 911 and Pearl Harbour?
Money and power is an interesting playfield, and then on the other hand is human error. Combining both makes an almost perfect weapon, where evidence disappear or get altered and only gut feelings remain. Since nobody knows what really happened, and what is real and what is not, give some the benefit of the doubt at least.
For those who like to thrash and psycho-Analise any statements.. please don't bother. I really don't care and I don't follow all threads enthusiastically so I probably won't be around to defend any lashing out soon.
Peace!
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Originally posted by starchyme View PostSo in all, the person making a claim that the ILS was tampered with, was as plausible as snakes (or crocodiles) causing the crash.
To get one step ahead of you, it is also not possible to climb onto the wing of a 747 on takeoff roll, remain there for several minutes, pull some conveniently located fuel jettison lever, fall off unharmed and have the stream of fuel catch fire, leap off the ground and explode the airplane.
Nor is it plausible.
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