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Originally posted by Evan View PostOk, but how are the independent Polish investigators responding to the items you have listed?
The official Polish report will come out soon. We'll have to wait and see how far they are allowed to go.
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Originally posted by Northwester View PostThe official Polish report will come out soon. We'll have to wait and see how far they are allowed to go.
Brilliant!
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Originally posted by Taliesin View PostAmazing back door you created for yourself there. If the official polish report confirms that there was no foul play on the part of the russians, you can simply say they refused to say so for diplomatic or political reasons!
Brilliant!
- TAWS doing things that are not physically possible
- Middle marker generating signal that is not physically possible
- Two different versions of CVR in existence
- Plane trajectory not matching FDR data
- Visual records from ATC disappeared
- PIC's flight parameter not matching that from FDR
- Indications of tampering with the CVR recording
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Originally posted by Fear_of_FlyingMy first thoughts exactly. Northwester did the very same thing prior to the Russian report being released, serving notice that the findings would not be valid. This is how hatred and mistrust are perpetuated, and why this thread will see no end as long as Northwester continues to post and others continue to respond.
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Originally posted by Northwester View PostJust to force you to say something of substance, which of these points do you find unfound and why?
- TAWS doing things that are not physically possible
- Middle marker generating signal that is not physically possible
- Two different versions of CVR in existence
- Plane trajectory not matching FDR data
- Visual records from ATC disappeared
- PIC's flight parameter not matching that from FDR
- Indications of tampering with the CVR recording
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Originally posted by Northwester View PostJust to force you to say something of substance, which of these points do you find unfound and why?
- TAWS doing things that are not physically possible
Originally posted by Northwester View Post- Middle marker generating signal that is not physically possible
Originally posted by Northwester View Post- Two different versions of CVR in existence
Originally posted by Northwester View PostJust to force you to say something of substance
Even IF the russians had wanted that plane down, they still could have sat there twiddling their thumbs.
There is no conspiracy here, just tragedy
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Originally posted by Taliesin View PostIsnt the TAWS part of the airplane? If the TAWS produces abnormal readings, whose fault is that?
The middle marker is a VHF radio beacon, either you catch it or you dont. Are you saying the crew didnt catch the middle marker but continued the approach anyway? Did the russians invent some kind of Death Ray Middle Marker that made the plane crash? Yea, didnt think so.
Says you. Then you post pictures of audio waves and claim there is some kind of difference, but you're the only one who sees it.
Here's something of substance: The plane crashed into terrain that was lower than the runway threshold. It was a CLASSIC controlled flight into terrain. The crew was pressured into an approach they shouldnt have executed in the first place. They were warned about the weather conditions and went in there anyway.
Even IF the russians had wanted that plane down, they still could have sat there twiddling their thumbs.
There is no conspiracy here, just tragedy
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Originally posted by Evan View PostThese are all pretty hard to overlook. I'm certain the Polish investigators will call them to our attention as well. Unless... unless this is a grand conspiracy on the part of the Polish as well. Yes, of course, but then... why do you create such a grand conspiracy but then leave all of these obvious inconsistencies and telltale signs of tampering and not expect anyone to notice them? It's almost as if they want to get caught...
But honestly, how much of what we are discussing here finds its way to the outside of narrow circles of people with some special stake or interest? Probably not much if any. Most people get the news from the mainstream media that repeats the official version of the events. How many people would make an effort and have tools to discover the inconsistencies? Very few.
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Originally posted by Fear_of_FlyingThis is why this thread will see no end as long as Northwester continues to post and others continue to respond.
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Originally posted by guamainiac View PostThat would be a very interesting interview wouldn't it.
How much sooner did the IL-76 land and could there possibly have been someone who was waved off?
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Originally posted by guamainiac View PostHow much sooner did the IL-76 land
It diverted when they learnt about the weather conditions. The Polish crew knew this.
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--- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---
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