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One more interesting thing. From NYT article from April 11, 2010:
"Correspondents at the scene said the plane’s explosion was so powerful that fragments of it were scattered as far as the outskirts of Smolensk, more than a mile from the crash site."
Never heard of that before.
sounds like some bs.
by the way, the similar crash took place in russia a few days ago. I mean this one http://aircrash.ucoz.net/publ/5-1-0-139
Pilots dont learn from their mistakes... so sorry
sounds like some bs.
by the way, the similar crash took place in russia a few days ago. I mean this one http://aircrash.ucoz.net/publ/5-1-0-139
Pilots dont learn from their mistakes... so sorry
Some people are drawing parallels between these two crashes. The Tu-134 clipped a tree and a power line, bad weather, assumed pilot error. The main difference: here initially 8 people survived, and more would have if not that the plane burst into flames. So sad.
Yes, it was similar, wasn't it? But the main difference is that people will see this accident for what it was, a tragedy and a reminder of human fallibility, the headlines will soon disappear, and those who were lost will be allowed to rest in peace.
But the investigation will still be conducted and someone will be found guilty, or something will be determined as the cause. In the Polish crash from the last year wrong people are being blamed for it and they cannot defend themselves anymore.
Some people are drawing parallels between these two crashes. The Tu-134 clipped a tree and a power line, bad weather, assumed pilot error. The main difference: here initially 8 people survived, and more would have if not that the plane burst into flames. So sad.
Another difference is that Polish pilots were not experienced at all and were forced to land by authorities onboard.. While speaking of the Tu-134 crash we deal with an obscure failure of a skillful Captain who has flown Tu134 all his life and his unwillingness to make a go round.
I read today the Tu134 pessenger's comments. He said that they were just landing without any emergency danger. People didnt even realize they were crashing.. Pilots might have mixed the Rwy with the highway.
Yes, it was similar, wasn't it? But the main difference is that people will see this accident for what it was, a tragedy and a reminder of human fallibility, the headlines will soon disappear, and those who were lost will be allowed to rest in peace.
And the passengers on the TU-134 didn't wander into the cockpit and lurk there to assure the pilots that real men do not live in fear of danger and divert to someplace safer like little girls.
While speaking of the Tu-134 crash we deal with an obscure failure of a skillful Captain who has flown Tu134 all his life and his unwillingness to make a go round.
Pilots might have mixed the Rwy with the highway.
There are reports stating that the navigator Aman Atayev was drunk. 0.1% blood alcohol content.
You know this is not correct.
Worst case of propaganda work.
Of course i know this is correct! The investigation has been finished.
And Polish pilot had about 3 thousands hours of flying experience on the whole! Half of it flying Yak-40.
Btw, have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucfMbPt8xRw
There are reports stating that the navigator Aman Atayev was drunk. 0.1% blood alcohol content.
Dont judge too quickly. This information was spread by mass media and can't be correct until we see investigation reports. Moreover this fact has been denied by IAC and the Investigating Committee.
In the Russian report there is not much information about the sequence of the crash itself. Besides identifying the parts on the ground, pointing to the initial impact location, and stating that the plane disintegrated upon impact, there is not much there. They did not identify where most of the interior of the plane, and the bodies, were found.
There are 3 films that survived the scrutiny of the security personell. First one by Polish reporter Wisniewski. Second one by either Wisniewski or someone unidentified (it is shown in the same youtube clip, so it could be from the same person). The third one by a local witness (A. Mendrey). They cover areas A, B, and C. In none of the films one could see elements of the interior like seats, luggage, or bodies. Wisniewski commented that during his filming of the site he did not see a single body (areas A and B). There are also no seats or bodies seen in area C (Mendrey's clip). One must assume that most bodies were found in area D where there is no video record, just few photographs. I am attaching a picture from that area showing an airplane seat.
If most bodies were found in the area D it means that the passenger cabin travelled to that area largely in one piece and disintegrated there (otherwise you would have had bodies and seats all along the path of destruction).
The questions that need to be asked:
- Is it consistent with the fact of the main fuselage not disintegrating upon impact and travelling some distance on the ground that there was not a single survivor of the crash?
- Is it possible for the main fuselage, largely in one piece, to travel on the ground for some distance and then almost completely disappear without a fire or explosion?
(CNN) -- Pilot error was mostly to blame for a plane crash that killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski and nearly 100 others last year, the [Polish] investigators said Friday.
"The flight crew of the airplane in question was not sufficiently prepared for the task at hand given the complexity of the situation the crew encountered during their last flight," the 328-page report said.
"The aircraft commander, co-pilot, and navigator had been trained hastily, haphazardly and in violation of the respective training regulations."
The situation was compounded by "the crew's insufficient knowledge of the airplane's systems and their limitations," the report says, and "inadequate cross-monitoring among the crew members and failure to respond to the mistakes committed."
The crew should have decided to divert to another airport in light of "repeated and timely" warnings about bad weather in Smolensk, Russia, the Interstate Aviation Committee said.
The presence of a Polish air force commander in the cockpit may also have contributed to the crash, the aviation committee said, noting that he had alcohol in his blood at the time of the crash.
That's the Polish version. Sounds every bit like the Russian version to me. The Poles also point out the positional errors made by Russian ATC, but this did not cause the crash, as this was a non-precision visual approach.
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Sorry. A non-precision instrument approach with a visual requirement to continue below a safe MDA. In other words, guided by the dials and the windscreen, not the ATC. The most they can blame Russian ATC for is in forcing them to abandon the approach at MDA, and then only if there had been adequate visibility, which there never was, so they would have to abandon it in any case.
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