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Originally posted by AVION1 View PostVNAV..appears to have all the answers, as always.....I wonder how many licenses or certificates he has.?
And I read his post as "at least 6 out of these 7 theories mst be wrong, are you sure you can go on with this?".
I'm by far not against speculation, but talking about a stall, an in-flight explosion, fuel exhaustion, busting the MDA, loosing the tail, loosing control during the go-around, etc... when the only thing we know by now is that an airplane crashed with a high level of devastation is going quite far IMHO.
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Originally posted by Alessandro View PostOverbuilt, so the Tristar that trashed into the ground in Florida when both pilots where busy with a faulty bulb wasn´t in million pieces?
No, it´s a myth nothing more.
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Originally posted by AVION1 View PostVNAV..appears to have all the answers, as always.....
I wonder how many licenses or certificates he has.?
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The more I learn about HLLT, the more this seems like an accident waiting to happen. Waiting for the right crew under the right conditions. RWY 09 is a dual locator approach. Are the latest A330's even equipped for that? The navaids are intermittently out of service. The VOR is occasionally warped from cranes working nearby. If they weren't using internal navigation, I can see where a low visibility (or low ceiling sun impaired) at minima combined with this sorry excuse for ground-based guidance could lead to disaster. What puzzles me is the devastation, which suggests something far more violent than wings-level CFIT on final. Either a massive explosion, a very high rate of descent, or a high-bank contact with the ground.
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Originally posted by Vnav View PostActually, I have no answers whatsoever....which is why I'm not making a fool out of myself by randomly throwing accident causes out there just to amuse myself. However, just to play along with everyone else, here's my theory: A passenger onboard was illegally transporting poisonous snakes which escaped and bit both the Captain and F/O....from the evidence we have so far, my guess is as good as the others I've seen
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G'day Evan,
Are the 330's equipped for a 2 NDB approach? Depends on what the company concerned ordered. Some are, and some aren't. I would personally guess that an African airline would order them with, as many of their airports would have them... but that is just guessing.
While NDB and VOR approaches are not ideal, they are a part of world aviation that we have to deal with. However, the pilots would have had the assistance of the IRS system (specifically when updated by GPS) to fly the approach, using the "raw data" off the NDB or VOR to verify the integrity of the navigation display. The A330 will usually fly a VOR approach in exactly the same manner as an RNAV approach.
You say it is a sorry excuse for ground based guidance, however you need to remember that the minima and procedures are completely cognisant of that fact. It is KNOWN that NDB approaches are not particularly accurate, which is why the terrain splays and minimum altitudes are so large/high. If you can't see the required amount at the minima, you go around. Simple.
With mist, sunrise etc, that all adds to the possibility of missed approaches - it shouldn't increase the chances of crashing.
The site certainly looks nothing like a stall - it looks very much like a high-energy impact like Evan has said.
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Originally posted by AVION1 View PostAnyone has an aspirin, please?
My question: Is there some sort of RNAV approach for this runway at Tripoli, or is the (oft unreliable) VOR/DME approach I've been reading about the only option here?Trump is an idiot!
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Originally posted by Evan View PostThe more I learn about HLLT, the more this seems like an accident waiting to happen. Waiting for the right crew under the right conditions. RWY 09 is a dual locator approach. Are the latest A330's even equipped for that? The navaids are intermittently out of service. The VOR is occasionally warped from cranes working nearby. If they weren't using internal navigation, I can see where a low visibility (or low ceiling sun impaired) at minima combined with this sorry excuse for ground-based guidance could lead to disaster.
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Originally posted by EconomyClass View PostNo comments on the issue of the carbon-fibre components. When the word "pulverization" appeared, I somehow thought the next comment might be "another question mark about fabric airplane bodies". So the consensus here is that the tendency to pulverize is equivalent for all materials?
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Originally posted by ced ampo View PostI do hope that NTSB joins, I just don't feel that confident with BEA, especially with the AF447 case
Err...ced, have you thought that maybe the total lack of witnesses, black boxes, radio or other communications and missing the vast majority of the wreckage may be just be impeding the investigation just a tad?
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