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I am no aviation expert, but I'm a former Navy officer who have sailed extensively those waters. And one thing I can guarantee: that area is packed, and I really mean it, with ships and fishing boats. As a matter of fact that is one of the busiest shipping areas in the world. It would be almost impossible for a big plane ditching or crashing in the water without being spoted by a boat.
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostWhile the linked article is crappy, the possibility of a missile destroying MH370 is not as remote as one would think. But if it was a missile, I am thinking more along the lines of Iranair 655 -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
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Originally posted by retox View Post@Gabriel, the best part of the article you posted:
"In the evening of Mar 9th 2014 local time Malaysia's Transport Ministry reported, that no trace of the missing aircraft has been found at dawn Mar 9th after two days of search. The oil slicks as well as debris found so far are not related to the aircraft. Rumours like other crew establishing contact to the accident flight after radar contact was lost, phone contact to a mobile phone of one the passengers of the missing flight or the aircraft having landed in China or Vietnam, are false."
Or, at least, it was posted in Av Herald many hours after the denial.
Also note that the part you quoted denies that "trace of the missing aircraft has been found at dawn Mar 9th".
While the part I quoted says "In the night of Mar 9th 2014 [...] released a photo of a part [...] despite darkness was discovered [...]. Forces will be dispatched to the part after daybreak Mar 10th 2014.
This places the discovery of the part well after "dawn Mar 9th".
And, finally, AvHerald is the most serious news site that I know (or maybe the only serious one). They withheld the information about these parts for many hours, probably to verify the veracity of the information, which, by the way, is limited to what the authorities said and not to whether what they said is correct or not. While "parts were found" and "no parts were found" cannot be both true, "Mr A reported that parts were found" and "Mr B reported that no parts were found" can, and AvHerald will post both statements.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostThe discovery of this "door" or whatever happened after this denial.
Or, at least, it was posted in Av Herald many hours after the denial.
Also note that the part you quoted denies that "trace of the missing aircraft has been found at dawn Mar 9th".
While the part I quoted says "In the night of Mar 9th 2014 [...] released a photo of a part [...] despite darkness was discovered [...]. Forces will be dispatched to the part after daybreak Mar 10th 2014.
This places the discovery of the part well after "dawn Mar 9th".
And, finally, AvHerald is the most serious news site that I know (or maybe the only serious one). They withheld the information about these parts for many hours, probably to verify the veracity of the information, which, by the way, is limited to what the authorities said and not to whether what they said is correct or not. While "parts were found" and "no parts were found" cannot be both true, "Mr A reported that parts were found" and "Mr B reported that no parts were found" can, and AvHerald will post both statements.
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Originally posted by andyb99 View Posti absolutely hate 'exclusive' puff like that....investigating the fact that the plane may have disintegrated...or might not have done......its like say the people might have die quickly or slowly....they have no idea and its all bollox
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Originally posted by retox View PostEVERYTHING reported so far has been unvetted speculation (including the silly link I posted suggesting it was a missile). All we really know is that a plane disappeared with some identity thieves on board (probably not even related to the cause). I'm not even sure if we can trust the reports of a radar track. Based on that part of the world, we may never hear the real story.
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostWell - I'm wondering if you have ever been to this part of the world. It's not as backwards as many people think, and I am pretty confident, that we will hear the real story, and probably sooner than later.
It's just ironic that we have designed planes to always be found - to tell us what went wrong - and in this world, of so much modernity and technology, we can't find the one thing that it seems the entire world is looking for. Technology is so fickle at times.Whatever is necessary, is never unwise.
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I begin to wonder what would happen if an un-announced aircraft approached, say Cambodian or Vietnamese airspace, with no SSR or radio to identify. Adding to that, flying at the "wrong" altitude and with no filed flight plan.
Knowing there is an amount of illicit traffic, carrying contraband and drugs crossing the Gulf of Thailand, this being addressed by all nations concerned, would it be totally weird to assume that said aircraft would be shot at if it did not identify itself?
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostWhile the linked article is crappy, the possibility of a missile destroying MH370 is not as remote as one would think. But if it was a missile, I am thinking more along the lines of Iranair 655 -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655Originally posted by Passion for flying View PostI begin to wonder what would happen if an un-announced aircraft approached, say Cambodian or Vietnamese airspace, with no SSR or radio to identify. Adding to that, flying at the "wrong" altitude and with no filed flight plan.
Knowing there is an amount of illicit traffic, carrying contraband and drugs crossing the Gulf of Thailand, this being addressed by all nations concerned, would it be totally weird to assume that said aircraft would be shot at if it did not identify itself?
However, even if this were the case - would we not find any discernible wreckage at all? As was stated, the area is frequented by many fishing and commercial ships. I am unsure that this would have happened without witnesses, and it would require a cover-up to explain where the aircraft, and passengers went.Whatever is necessary, is never unwise.
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Originally posted by Gabriel[EDIT]
Okay. it seems that AvHerald is not permitting access to their photos from external sites.
First image shows what might be an internal sidewall panel with the window hole.
Second image shows a map with the relative locations of the route, the last point of contact, and this part.
How they could confirm that the part is definitely made of composite material is beyond me.
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Originally posted by Passion for flying View PostI begin to wonder what would happen if an un-announced aircraft approached, say Cambodian or Vietnamese airspace, with no SSR or radio to identify. Adding to that, flying at the "wrong" altitude and with no filed flight plan.
Knowing there is an amount of illicit traffic, carrying contraband and drugs crossing the Gulf of Thailand, this being addressed by all nations concerned, would it be totally weird to assume that said aircraft would be shot at if it did not identify itself?Last edited by Peter Kesternich; 2014-03-09, 21:04.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostIt looks so. The only info that I have is the image of the tickets that I attached before, which I don't even know if it's true or fake.
Originally posted by NYTimesMore details emerged Sunday about two passengers listed on the manifest using names from an Austrian and an Italian passport reported stolen in Thailand, one in 2012 and the other in 2013. According electronic booking records, both men purchased one-way tickets on Thursday from a travel agency in a shopping mall in the Thai beach resort of Pattaya.
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