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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostI'd love to drop your iPhone at 400kts and 35000ft over the ocean and see how long you take to find it. Especially if it was turned off a while before dropping it.
I am not sure what you have in mind. The plane was under radar surveillance when it disappeared and the wreckage is not near that point. There is no radar track, there was no radio call, there was no ACARS message... What do you expect? To have a satellite following each plane with an IR camera in case it goes "dark"?
If you are going by the fuel range, you now have a circle of several thousand miles of radius with center at the last known position and involving ocean, jungles, mountains, deserts... Not easy to find a plane in these circumstances.
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostHonestly? I think they are all guessing as much as we do
- and just covering all their bases, in case the plane really turned back and went down in the Strait of Malacca (which I doubt it did, but better be on the safe side...)
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Originally posted by phoneman View PostIt's starting to look more like a hijacking!
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I think we can assume by now that the expected areas along the flight path have been ruled out. Depth soundings of 80m or less and a P3 on station would have revealed something by now. This points away from a bombing and to a scenario in which the flight continued for some distance off the planned flight path without affording a distress call. What are these scenarios? An overwhelming situation such as AF447; a hijacking gone wrong; a suicidal pilot (we've had two of these already); both pilots incapacitated (hypoxia?); a problem that included the loss of radio transmission... what else?
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Originally posted by Evan View PostI think we can assume by now that the expected areas along the flight path have been ruled out. Depth soundings of 80m or less and a P3 on station would have revealed something by now. This points away from a bombing and to a scenario in which the flight continued for some distance off the planned flight path without affording a distress call. What are these scenarios? An overwhelming situation such as AF447; a hijacking gone wrong; a suicidal pilot (we've had two of these already); both pilots incapacitated (hypoxia?); a problem that included the loss of radio transmission... what else?
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Originally posted by flight191 View PostInteresting conjecture, you mean perhaps a scenario like Helios 522?
A Vietnamese Maritime Search and Rescue Services ship has been dispatched to investigate the latest debris field. It will be daybreak there in a few hours so we can hope to get confirmation on whether this is MH-370 by this evening.
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Originally posted by Evan View PostI think we can assume by now that the expected areas along the flight path have been ruled out. Depth soundings of 80m or less and a P3 on station would have revealed something by now. This points away from a bombing and to a scenario in which the flight continued for some distance off the planned flight path without affording a distress call. What are these scenarios? An overwhelming situation such as AF447; a hijacking gone wrong; a suicidal pilot (we've had two of these already); both pilots incapacitated (hypoxia?); a problem that included the loss of radio transmission... what else?
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Originally posted by Evan View PostI think we can assume by now that the expected areas along the flight path have been ruled out. Depth soundings of 80m or less and a P3 on station would have revealed something by now. This points away from a bombing and to a scenario in which the flight continued for some distance off the planned flight path without affording a distress call. What are these scenarios? An overwhelming situation such as AF447; a hijacking gone wrong; a suicidal pilot (we've had two of these already); both pilots incapacitated (hypoxia?); a problem that included the loss of radio transmission... what else?
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Originally posted by AVION1 View PostYou forgot to add a "KAL-007" scenario. Aircraft was destroyed by a vietnamese MIG-21, by mistake.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostThis is absolutely left field speculation.
And a and b have a lot of drawbacks.
a- Why no primary radar track?
If it was SSR only then the track would disappear if the transponder lost power.
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostThe Vietnamese Air Force flies Sukhoi Su-27 Flankers these days. There is no cold war going on between Malaysia and Vietnam, and Vietnam wouldn't be suspecting any hostile aircraft from this area. There was a flight plan filed, the flight was on course, and Vietnam either was expecting the aircaft to enter its air space or was already in ATC contact with it. So - nope, no KAL007 scenario.A Former Airdisaster.Com Forum (senior member)....
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Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View PostWhy? It only shows that the people in charge are also just human. I think that's a lot more comforting than a high-level conspiracy.
My idea was that they had more information after analyzing, comparing and synchronizing several sources of primary and secondary radar (it's not so easy, in an screen filled with unidentified blips, to know what of those blips is the one you are looking for).
Then, knowing that the plane was heading "there" and not disclosing it (yet) was better that not having primary radar info at all.
One thing that puzzles me is that they released no precise info of what the primary radar data shows. There are ways (3D radar, triangulation if you have the blips in 2 or more radars at a time) to roughly estimate the altitude of the plane, so it should be possible to make a rough 3D path of the plane up to the REAL last point of contact (not the one where the transponder was lost but all the way until the primary radars lost it).
There are mentions of "radar suggest a steep descent". What is "steep"? 5000 fpm (that could be compatible with a controlled thing) or 15000 FPM (an uncontrolled dive at best), and what was the angle of that path? Etc...
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