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We were trying a few hrs ago to get the que under 1000, however over 2000 uploads in less than 24hrs so far.
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Hello everyone,
Merry Christmas to all across the world! I just uploaded a couple of images and the queue was less than 1700. The screeners were actually processing today's images. Another couple I had accepted were in the queue less than 2 days. I know that winter time is slower but I have never seen this. Outstanding job to the screeners for the time they donate to this site.
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In addition to all mentioned above, if a screener writes you a personal remark and then you appeal asking the same again, followed by 3 question marks, I would say, the senior screener was very patient with you, when he politely answered again, don't you think?
As mentioned above, if you ask politely if you think, something went wrong, you will most likely get a reply. Questions about how to improve the photo should be posted here. Then it should work well for all.
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Originally posted by aceriana View PostQuite true the last 3 were "helpful"... but I can check past appeal responses and they did not meet the current standards.
I don't expect a flowery explanation, but blank or "no" are not very nice. Its demoralizing considering the effort many of us go through to get nice aviation photos. We don't all have an airport in the backyard and need to travel many miles. If it all goes down the drain... well... you know.
For anyone who is reading this thread: Appealing a picture should only be done when you think something went very wrong in the screening process.
When you appeal a picture, it will be re-screened by one of our most senior screeners and they will decide if you or the previous screeners are right. Don't always expect an elaborate answer. If the original rejection reason still stands, you will probably get no further explanation.
Therefor it is often better to post a rejection you do not agree with in the forums first and have other photogs and crew comment on it. After that and if you still feel you are right, you can always appeal it.
A free tip: In your appeal use words your mama would approve.
Roel.
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Originally posted by aceriana View PostQuite true the last 3 were "helpful"... but I can check past appeal responses and they did not meet the current standards.
I don't expect a flowery explanation, but blank or "no" are not very nice. Its demoralizing considering the effort many of us go through to get nice aviation photos. We don't all have an airport in the backyard and need to travel many miles. If it all goes down the drain... well... you know.
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Originally posted by Diezel View PostYou appealed three of those and all three were answered with a helpful response of how to improve your picture.
Roel.
I don't expect a flowery explanation, but blank or "no" are not very nice. Its demoralizing considering the effort many of us go through to get nice aviation photos. We don't all have an airport in the backyard and need to travel many miles. If it all goes down the drain... well... you know.
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Originally posted by aceriana View PostI have generally abandoned the appeals process because 90% of time I get poor responses (some as blunt and simple as "No") and practically no constructive criticism (only once there was a clear and helpful suggestion on how to improve the photo).
Roel.
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Don't know what the other folks are bitching about but it's been years since the queue has been like this! Great work guys!
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Originally posted by aceriana View PostI have generally abandoned the appeals process because 90% of time I get poor responses (some as blunt and simple as "No") and practically no constructive criticism (only once there was a clear and helpful suggestion on how to improve the photo).
But as you say this may not be the place for suggestions on how to improve the photo. I agree.
Believe me, now that I think my photo managment has improved, I appeal when I am 99% sure I am right and there might have been a slip in the screening process. I don't appeal when I know I am 100% wrong, so I don't clog up the process. Nonetheless the reponses when I appeal are more often than not blunt and the appeal fails.
That may be why the appeals statistics are flat.
Unfortunately the appeal screeners also have to deal with a lot of blunt comments themselves from uploaders, it's not a job I'd envy
On a side note, the screeners have done a top job this weekend dealing with the queue. It was interesting to see the number of uploads double during this time to 2000+ daily over the weekend. The only way we can maintain a low queue number is if the number of uploads remain the same, which sadly it never does after a queue dive.
Dave
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If the quality of screening had decreased then I would have expected the number of appeals to increase but this didn't happen.
But as you say this may not be the place for suggestions on how to improve the photo. I agree.
Believe me, now that I think my photo managment has improved, I appeal when I am 99% sure I am right and there might have been a slip in the screening process. I don't appeal when I know I am 100% wrong, so I don't clog up the process. Nonetheless the reponses when I appeal are more often than not blunt and the appeal fails.
That may be why the appeals statistics are flat.
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Originally posted by brianw999 View PostThose people who use other photographers accepted work to illustrate their anger at getting a rejection also do themselves no favours. It is not acceptable. We are discussing your rejected image in an appeal and yours alone. Decisions will not change because someone else's image slipped through the screening process.
You get stopped for speeding on the highway. As the policeman is giving you a ticket do your really believe it would improve your case if you say "Hey but I've seen other people speeding too !!!" Seriously ?
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Originally posted by aceriana View PostI am happy that the screening queue is speeding up.
But with all things, there might be a negative aspect.
Are photos being screened too superficially?
I am not saying there is a lack of good will.
What I am saying is that speed is not always the best answer especially when the task involves human opinion (screening is an opinion....) and not a mechanized process.
No, photos are not being screened superficially. What happened was that a large number of screeners got together and spent FAR MORE of their OWN TIME screening over the last weekend than they would normally have done in an attempt to get the queue down to a more user friendly level. The fact that the queue is still below 3,000 is testament to the sheer hard work that they put in.
I spent some time dealing with appeals. If the quality of screening had decreased then I would have expected the number of appeals to increase but this didn't happen. Appeal percentages remained fairly static considering the number of pics screened.
While I'm talking about appeals....please don't use the appeal process to ask how to fix your rejected image. The proper place for this is in the forums in the "do you need any help" thread.
Those people who use other photographers accepted work to illustrate their anger at getting a rejection also do themselves no favours. It is not acceptable. We are discussing your rejected image in an appeal and yours alone. Decisions will not change because someone else's image slipped through the screening process. All you will probably get from me is a request to file a correction for the other photographers' image.
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I am happy that the screening queue is speeding up.
But with all things, there might be a negative aspect.
Are photos being screened too superficially?
I am not saying there is a lack of good will.
What I am saying is that speed is not always the best answer especially when the task involves human opinion (screening is an opinion....) and not a mechanized process.
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Hats off to the screening team!!! Photos screened in 2, 3 days!!
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I was wondering when I got a submission results email this morning. Screening in just 3 days! Thumbs up for the job!!
I really hope the low queue don't cause the people to upload more pictures and raise the queue again up to 10000+
Currently I have zero pictures in the queue. Seems like I edit my picts too low
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