Is the margin for error much much smaller on landing?
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UPS Cargo Jet Crashes Near Birmingham Shuttlesworth International Airport
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Originally posted by EconomyClass View PostI think I get that part, but I also assume lots of successful landings have occurred on both runways, which tells me that the big hill is not an insuperable barrier.
However, the point is that a professional pilot, familiar with the airport said that he would probably have requested runway 36 due to his knowledge of the terrain and light winds.
He even suggested that if the UPS crew was unfamiliar with the airport, they might have "blindly" made a "bad" decision.
That at least calls for a "hmmm" and this emoticon and perhaps wondering if Snyder/BB would chime in.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostCorrect...and a properly-flown instrument approach should have provided a nice safety buffer.
However, the point is that a professional pilot, familiar with the airport said that he would probably have requested runway 36 due to his knowledge of the terrain and light winds.
He even suggested that if the UPS crew was unfamiliar with the airport, they might have "blindly" made a "bad" decision.
That at least calls for a "hmmm" and this emoticon and perhaps wondering if Snyder/BB would chime in.
Honestly, looking at the approach plates, I would probably choose 18 over 36 as well due to the lower minimums. I don't see a problem with an approach to either runway, assuming they are properly flown.The "keep my tail out of trouble" disclaimer: Though I work in the airline industry, anything I post on here is my own speculation or opinion. Nothing I post is to be construed as "official" information from any air carrier or any other entity.
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Originally posted by EconomyClass View PostThis was a diverted flight, correct? Maybe it isn't surprising they didn't know which runway to choose.
Quite often ATC assigns runways due to noise or other issues (I don't know if that is an issue in this case or not) and, unless there is an "operational necessity" the pilot doesn't have a choice.The "keep my tail out of trouble" disclaimer: Though I work in the airline industry, anything I post on here is my own speculation or opinion. Nothing I post is to be construed as "official" information from any air carrier or any other entity.
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Originally posted by EconomyClass View PostThis was a diverted flight, correct? Maybe it isn't surprising they didn't know which runway to choose.
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Originally posted by Highkeas View PostJust to be clear runways 18 and 24 are the same runway but the approach is from opposite directions. If they had a choice I would expect them to pick the runway where they would end up closest to the UPS facility.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by EconomyClass View PostSo ATC said use this runway, they used it, but navigation made a hill which shouldn't have been a problem into one. By the way, when a plane is lost due to a goof, the insurance company takes the hit, correct?
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Originally posted by Highkeas View PostOooops - my math error. It is 18 and 36 that use the same physical runway.
My second comment was based on my pilot neighbor comment and makes sense to me provided it is safe to do so.
If the close runway required a lot more flying distance, they would probably not chose it.
If the big runway was open, I bet a steak dinner they would have chosen it.
If the winds did not favor the runway closer to their facility they probably would not choose it.
If the ATIS and ATC was suggesting a runway further from the facility, they would tend to land on that runway.
All things being equal and if you have a choice... THEN you would chose the closer runway, but at a place like Birmingham there's a whole lot of OTHER things that might make you chose a runway further from your ramp.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostWith respect to your neighbor, to simply say that you choose the runway closest to your facility is wrong.
If the close runway required a lot more flying distance, they would probably not chose it.
If the big runway was open, I bet a steak dinner they would have chosen it.
If the winds did not favor the runway closer to their facility they probably would not choose it.
If the ATIS and ATC was suggesting a runway further from the facility, they would tend to land on that runway.
All things being equal and if you have a choice... THEN you would chose the closer runway, but at a place like Birmingham there's a whole lot of OTHER things that might make you chose a runway further from your ramp.
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