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On the subject of distress calls....
The three golden rules in order...
1. Aviate.
2. Navigate.
3. Communicate.
If you are unable to perform #1...... then #2 and #3 have to wait.
If you have performed #1 satisfactorily but cannot achieve #2 right away ....... then #3 waits some more.
ONLY when you have achieved #1 ( keeping the plane flying )
and #2 ( decided where you are going with it ).....
......can you allocate tasks to achieving #3 (telling someone else about it. )
#1 and #2 will keep you alive. #3 only tells someone where you are going to possibly die.If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !
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Originally posted by Evan View PostHas any aircraft EVER made a distress call while stalled?
The pilots called in during the PSA-727-172 collision which was a steep spiraling dive- though not necessarily a stall and I'm pretty sure there's a few others
I do think there might have been an initial "don't confess" mechanism on the Pinnacle Four One Oh it Dude crash...might have kept them from boldly declaring that they were descending against ATC instructions to maintain 410.
On Air France, I find the full pull up so unbelievable- thatthe guy THINKING the plane was in stall-protecting mode still seems kind of plausible to me.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostIf you are suggesting some sort of "shame/don't confess" mechanism (from your full text?), I do not concur.
The pilots called in during the PSA-727-172 collision which was a steep spiraling dive- though not necessarily a stall and I'm pretty sure there's a few others
I do think there might have been an initial "don't confess" mechanism on the Pinnacle Four One Oh it Dude crash...might have kept them from boldly declaring that they were descending against ATC instructions to maintain 410.
On Air France, I find the full pull up so unbelievable- thatthe guy THINKING the plane was in stall-protecting mode still seems kind of plausible to me.
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Originally posted by Graham2001 View PostThe flight crew in the 1974 Northwest Airlines crash (Flight 6231) called out and stated quite clearly they were in a stall...
http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR75-13.pdf
I would be a big fan of Pitot Tubes Heat is on light in the cabin , along with the necessary Flaps are Down for Takeoff light .
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Originally posted by TheKiecker View PostThanks for the link Graham.
I would be a big fan of Pitot Tubes Heat is on light in the cabin , along with the necessary Flaps are Down for Takeoff light .
The "pitot heat NOT on" one is somehow new. I thin it was not in place when this accident took place.
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Now that computerized displays are common, perhaps more-creatively-worded messages would better catch pilots' attention:
"Your airspeed indicator is probably lying... check the pitot heat switch to find out why."Be alert! America needs more lerts.
Eric Law
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostWell, the certification standards require a warning for "Pitot Tube Heat is NOT on" and "flaps are NOT down for take-off".
The "pitot heat NOT on" one is somehow new. I thin it was not in place when this accident took place.
Instead of four eyes looking/missing/ignoring the most deadliest of mistakes you may have 200 to 700 eyes watching .
And spare me the "Professionalism" jive . Sorry to look over your shoulder there Capt. Buzdriver, but its my ass too .
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostWell, the certification standards require a warning for "Pitot Tube Heat is NOT on" and "flaps are NOT down for take-off".
The "pitot heat NOT on" one is somehow new. I thin it was not in place when this accident took place.
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Originally posted by TheKiecker View PostI would be a big fan of Pitot Tubes Heat is on light in the cabin , along with the necessary Flaps are Down for Takeoff light .Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by Evan View PostThe only options for probe heat should be 'AUTO' and 'ON'.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostIn some ways, I kind of like you...
I want 3 green on the screen too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOxhH8N3Bo
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostSorry, but if it uses a good bit of electricity and generates a good bit of heat, I tend to favor an "off" setting...just for safety you know.
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Originally posted by TheKiecker View Post
I want 3 green on the screen too.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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