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evan wont admit it but a universal anything will not be coming along anytime soon. i invested in a company developing a universal flu vaccine. successful stage 1 trials. i bought some more shares. then? stage 2 an utter failure. i only lost a couple of thousand. anyway, let's let evan go one believing that science can conclusively beat mother nature while he wears his mask.
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Originally posted by Evan View Post***The flu is a harder thing to target because it mutates much faster, about four times faster that Covid.***
Pigweeed mutates an order of magnitude or two less than viruses PERIOD…
And has developed resistance to most of our effective chemistry.
Bugs, Roaches, Rats, Weeds, Bacteria, Viruses…big numbers, high reproductive rates (millions, billions, gillions doesn’t matter)…it’s the SAME mechanism…(and painfully simple math).
Masks, vaccines, pesticides, D-Con; Mother Nature abhors a vacuum…
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Originally posted by TeeVee View Postuniversal vaccine....hahahaha. science has brought us ANNUAL flu "shots" that have done nothing to end influenza.
The flu is a harder thing to target because it mutates much faster, about four times faster that Covid. The reason Covid has been able to mutate as often as it has is because of the extremely high number of infections, which could be tempered dramatically if people took responsibility, got the vaccines and wore masks in populated spaces like markets, got tested and self-quarantined when they test positive. Slow down the rate of transmission and you slow down the rate of vaccine escape mutation. Dramatically. Simply 'living with it' and embracing the medieval 'virus is gonna virus' philosophy will only make mutations more common.
Also, the current flu vaccines which rely on lab-incubated inactivated virus have a greater development time and must rely on predictions far in advance. The mRNA technology uses the vaccine recipient’s own gene-transcription and translation machinery to generate the antigen protein, so it should be more agile and therefore less reliant on prediction.
And the flu has a far lower case fatality rate. Covid has also proved to be a much more broadly systemic virus by infecting organs throughout the body including the nervous system. This is why we must take it much more seriously as responsible members of a modern civilization.
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universal vaccine....hahahaha. science has brought us ANNUAL flu "shots" that have done nothing to end influenza. "universal" vaccines fail repeatedly. have you been wearing a mask your entire life to prevent influenza? it kills tens of thousands every year in the US alone. science has been unable to prevent the common cold, hiv, and 1000's of other viruses.
"immunity" is not the key and hasn't been for some time. survival, however, has been. drug manufacturers dont even use the word immunity anymore in discussing their versions of the vax. they talk in terms of immune response, which is a very different thing.
evan we know your opinion. keep wearing your mask please.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
And that doesn't count a s a reliable defense?
Against infection it is not.
Against long-Covid, it is still unknown.
Masks are a reliable defense against all of
these things.
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Originally posted by EvanThe only reliable defense against BA.5 is masking. That's the science.Originally posted by GabrielIs it not the case that the preponderance of severe illness, ICU admissions and death is an order of magnitude higher among the unvaccinated ones that among the vaccinated ones, even with BA.5?Originally posted by EvanThat's what I'm hearing. The vaccine seems to produce better long-term cellular immunity. That's the stuff that keeps it out of the lungs and such.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostIs it not the case that the preponderance of severe illness, ICU admissions and death is an order of magnitude higher among the unvaccinated ones that among the vaccinated ones, even with BA.5?
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Originally posted by Evan View PostThe only reliable defense against BA.5 is masking. That's the science.
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Originally posted by Evan View PostMaybe then immunity can replace masking once and for all.
Please send a news release to inform the media that BA.5 is not Deltacron. Unfortunately, the media only uses this forum for its cutting-edge analysis of aviation safety.
However, there’s strong consensus in science that the media likes scary, sexy buzzwords. Good luck.
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostAnnouncing “Deltacron” BA.5
I guess we’ll be hearing about more science.
BA.5 is not Deltacron. Deltacron emerged months ago but never really took off. BA.4 and BA.5 do not appear to settle in the lungs as readily as Delta, although ICU admissions are climbing in Europe with the very high numbers of infections there. Most significantly, these variants easily re-infect those who have had previous Covid illness as well as those with vaccinations, so immunity is not in the cards.
The only reliable defense against BA.5 is masking. That's the science.
The good news (if it works) is that a universal vaccine is being developed, hopefully for the fall. Maybe then immunity can replace masking once and for all.
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Announcing “Deltacron” BA.5
I guess we’ll be hearing about more science.
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Originally posted by Evan View Post
You are, of course, reversing the burden of proof. Unless newer research finds otherwise, older research prevails. That is how Science works.
However, here is the most recent:
From a study released on May 18:
Note two things:
- While the citations are indeed from late 2021, the study conclusions are from May of 2022. This indicates that nothing more recent has been presented to refute those late 2021 studies. There is currently no scientific research supporting a reduction in long-covid incidence.
- The rates cited are much higher than 30%. Margins or error have been factored into the current consensus that the rate is around 1 in 3.
Also, it is very important to note that the study finds that 75% of long-covid sufferers were never sick enough to be hospitalized. This indicates that severity is not a driving factor for long Covid and therefore a less severe variant does not equate to a lower expected incidence of long Covid.
Link to the actual study:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/media2.fair...te%20Paper.pdf
THIS: "this report studies the population of 78,252 patients in the repository who were diagnosed with the U09.9 code from October 1, 2021,to January 31, 2022."
why is this important? because, you know, the virus mutated into its current form, omicron, which is much more transmissible, BUT much less dangerous, not only the disease, but the risk of long covid as well. the group they studied were most likely infected with delta (a much worse variant) or its predecessor (still worse than omicron).
Key point: "Among omicron cases, 2501 (4.5%) of 56,003 people experienced long COVID and, among delta cases, 4469 (10.8%) of 41,361 people experienced long COVID."
4.5%.
Aside from the above, let me back up several pages of this thread. are you trying to convince us and the world that mask mandates should not have been lifted because the risk (in your mind) has shifted to long covid as opposed to serious illness or death? are you proposing the continuation of masks because you think that if we just suffered a "little bit longer" the virus would disappear, like trump promised it would?
p.s. just to put things into perspective, the report you cited was prepared by a US based health cost watchdog, and was limited to privately insured patients who were given the funky new IDC code. makes me wonder if the UK study isn't more accurate...
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Originally posted by ATLcrew View Post
What numbers would those be?
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Originally posted by ATLcrew View PostAll of which would have been avoided if only we wore mouthdiapers for "a little while longer", right?
If you follow the numbers, you see where we repeatedly make the error of relaxing Covid measures about two weeks too early. When it can no longer find a fertile valley of unprotected human hosts, it will subside.
I hope you're taking this seriously. Airline pilot is not a great job for those with chronic brain fog and fatigue issues.
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