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Originally posted by Evan View PostHow close to TOD would this have been?
370 ==> 111 NM ==> 121 NM
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Originally posted by Leftseat86 View PostWithout access to the cockpit, how would someone in the cabin know exactly when the plane had been handed off the Egyptian ATC and was thus in Egyptian airspace, in the middle of the night, over the middle of the Mediterranean?
Btw, FZ 981 is under investigation. Thus, here I also like to wait until something official is on the screen. Departure was deGaulle, so, the BEA sooner or later gives something to read for the jp members (in Europe)?The German long haul is alive, 65 years and still kicking.
The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
This is Lohausen International airport speaking, echo delta delta lima.
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Leftseat, "in the cabin" was something that you assumed, right?
Well. I have just found a German source which says: " Von Überlebenden wurde nichts bekannt." [ZDF, heute dot de, 05-19-2016]
In English: "Officials haven't found yet one survivor."
Under Investigation. That might be a hope for your assumption, that there could have been a PNF in the cabin who survived it and who is able to write down some details.
I know that there are PNFs who didn't participate in that flight. So, imho,
Air France is able to contribute/to help with some details. They also know the route.
Avoidable? Survivable?
Gabriel, I wish that we could "meet" (online) on a happier occasion. That should be possible, one brighter day.The German long haul is alive, 65 years and still kicking.
The Gold Member in the 747 club, 50 years since the first LH 747.
And constantly advanced, 744 and 748 /w upper and lower EICAS.
This is Lohausen International airport speaking, echo delta delta lima.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostRule of thumb, if there are no ATC restrictions (that tend to make you descend earlier than needed), is altitude times 3/10 + 10 NM.
370 ==> 111 NM ==> 121 NM
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Or one of them may have may a last-chance run to the lav...
(ASSHAT Speculation ON) I have no idea what Egypt Airs procs are on number of crew in the cockpit - let's assume they require a FA in there so two peeps are required. My thinking here is Mr Terrorist 'rushes' the cockpit door as it opens forcing all into the cockpit - mayhem ensues for a couple of seconds before all are incapacitated. I only suggest this because I hate to think this is another PF murdercide
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostWith a handheld GPS as those found in cellphones or tablets. Or map in the IFE.
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Originally posted by Leftseat86 View PostA cellphone wouldn't have any signal out there, handheld GPS is a possibility, or the IFE map. I'm just targeting the assumption that an act was deliberately carried out only when the aircraft was in Egyptian airspace. Even with a cheap GPS or the IFE map it would be kind of a guess at that point, and they had only been in the airspace for a few minutes maybe. The person would have to know where the virtual airspace boundary was for it to be deliberate. Or maybe it was just a good guess, if in fact it was a terrorist act with that intention.
GPS, cheap or expensive one, is very precise. Maybe it cannot tell in what lane of the highway you are on, but the error is just some dozens of feet, hundreds in the worst case. The plane was 7 miles into Egyptian airspace. 7 miles +/- 300 feet would not make a difference.
There are apps for pilots available for free that uses the GPS of the cellphone and the database that app downloads aviation maps (and is kept in your cellphone, so you don't need cell or data connection, it is stand alone).
If you have an airspace map (that you can download from the internet), the only info that you need from the IFE to know if you are in Egyptian airspace is the distance to Cairo.
Finally, I don't believe that there would be any "effect" or political advantage by destroy a plane a little bit on either side of an airspace boundary in the middle of the see. What's the difference?
It was an Egyptian plane. It came from France. That's all what a terrorist would need.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostGPS is GPS, in a celphone or in a Garmin device. It doesn't relies, needs or uses celphone signal.
GPS, cheap or expensive one, is very precise. Maybe it cannot tell in what lane of the highway you are on, but the error is just some dozens of feet, hundreds in the worst case. The plane was 7 miles into Egyptian airspace. 7 miles +/- 300 feet would not make a difference.
There are apps for pilots available for free that uses the GPS of the cellphone and the database that app downloads aviation maps (and is kept in your cellphone, so you don't need cell or data connection, it is stand alone).
If you have an airspace map (that you can download from the internet), the only info that you need from the IFE to know if you are in Egyptian airspace is the distance to Cairo.
Finally, I don't believe that there would be any "effect" or political advantage by destroy a plane a little bit on either side of an airspace boundary in the middle of the see. What's the difference?
It was an Egyptian plane. It came from France. That's all what a terrorist would need.
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